http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Go-Topless-Day-sf-nude-nu...
Yup. In France. Yet they're agitating.
No, it's a law. You don't just get the side-eye, you might serve some time.
No, these city laws have been struck down by a higher authority. You can't wear a burka or a niqab though I still see women wearing that stuff in Paris suburbs, granted in places where 90% of the population is muslim and no non-muslim would dare live in.
Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.
Need to change slightly. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.
But I, only because am a woman, and because the barbaric Islamic sharia law treats women as second class citizens, have to wear hijab/burqa in Iran (or other Islmaic country). Welcome to Islam.
edit: typo
The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.
Just because something's a cultural norm doesn't mean you should accept it.
Social progress is made by fighting against cultural norms that treat groups of people as second-class citizens.
Both are widely rejected by countries, including many in Western civilization.
Still a fan of rejecting social norms that are objectionable to many of us? Or only those America doesn't hold dear?
It's on HN because hackers, as a whole, react to what they perceive to be injustice, or discrimination.
Hiding behind a nation's "norms" doesn't make it OK to tell foreign visiting women they need to hide themselves. Personally I don't think anywhere in the world a woman should be forced to do this, and it's all fine and good to try to find analogies like wearing shirts in public, but this is a step too far.
This isn't a nation saying their women have the right to do something, this is a nation saying all women should do this regardless of their beliefs, despite the majority of the world disagreeing with it.
Isn't that exactly the point? By your own choice of words it's clear it's not culturally acceptable in the US and Europe, (except for specially designated areas/specially designated times).
After all immigrants good, "that" religion good, it's all the fault of Mr. Trump, capiche ?
I am a non-American who owns a couple of firearms. I use them for hunting. There is no intrinsic wrong to firearms. They're a tool. Just like any other tool, they can be used for good or for bad.
I have stated that a society allowing private citizens to bear arms is a social norm.
You're talking about the usefulness of guns. Totally no relation.
I could be misguided and maybe women have less tendency of going topless. Do you have any studies at hand?
Substitute NYC for a city in the USA where it's illegal for women to go topless.
Actually, it is legal for women to be topless in New York: https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I92_0160.htm
The symbolism is what is important. A government that tells you what to dress will certainly not stop with benign restrictions.
The question then, is where do we draw the line?