Scaling in Bitbucket Cloud: new features and reliability numbers

Scaling in Bitbucket Cloud: new features and reliability numbers(blog.bitbucket.org)

91 points by kannonboy 9 years ago | 41 comments

ronnier 9 years ago |

The Bitbucket UI is a mess.

* It takes over your native browsers find feature.

* It's javascript heavy and has multiple panes that scroll, collapse, and expand.

* Viewing diffs requires you to click each file that changed (unlike every other diff/code browser I've used where it has one long page with all the changes)

tokenizerrr 9 years ago | |

> * Viewing diffs requires you to click each file that changed (unlike every other diff/code browser I've used where it has one long page with all the changes)

This is not my experience. Picking a random project I see a listing of all changes in all files: https://bitbucket.org/atlassianlabs/asap-cli/pull-requests/3...

That's for a pull request, this is for a branch: https://bitbucket.org/atlassianlabs/asap-cli/branch/bump_dev...

ronnier 9 years ago | | |

I'm using the "enterprise" version, not the public version. Maybe there's a difference. And yeah, that view you posted is a lot easier to read.

iamaelephant 9 years ago | |

It sounds like you're talking about Bitbucket Server. This article is about Bitbucket Cloud. Some people (myself included) much prefer the Cloud product, some people love the server product - and often they have these opinions for the same reason. File-by-file diff is a good example of this :)

Disclosure, I work for Atlassian, but not on either of these products.

mindsocket 9 years ago | |

I'm a Bitbucket Product Manager. Thanks for the feedback! This is an area we plan to improve in the Server offering. In particular we're actively looking at ways to make diff nav and find much better.

ppoint 9 years ago | | |

Are you planning on adding code search feature any time soon (in the cloud, that is)?

SEJeff 9 years ago | |

And this is why github won...

flavor8 9 years ago | |

I actually prefer bitbucket cloud to github. The pull request workflow in particular is a lot cleaner. Currently ditching both for gitlab tho.

sytse 9 years ago | | |

Glad to hear you're switching to GitLab. What made you switch? And how can we maybe improve our pull/merge request workflow?

agentgt 9 years ago |

We use Bitbucket (for over 4 years now) and in general like it mainly for its pricing model. However I have the (generally unfounded) fear that it will become bloated and slow like several other Atlassian products. I have really grown to dislike Jira but I will save that complaint for some other time.

The Bitbucket UI has improved over time but my real annoyance is the "Recent Activity" list is not wide enough and is not very configurable (ie filtering).

Also Bitbucket has sort of forgotten its Mercurial roots. Many Mercurial features have been added but it appears the Bitbucket UI does not show these features (for example Mercurial tracks moved files but Bitbucket does not show this).

The pipeline looks interesting but it is just a little too late for us since we are so heavily invested in Jenkins + Bash and will probably use Jenkins pipeline (Groovy) in the future. And if we do more opensource stuff it will probably be on Github so we will continue to use Travis. Also in all honesty I'm fairly sick of the whole YAML configure the world explosion... I actually miss XML but would prefer a scripting language over YAML (then again maybe I'm the only one who hates YAML).

Finally why is the Bitbucket blog so darn slow?

(I added this critique because I saw a Bitbucket PM floating around here).

vorg 9 years ago | |

> heavily invested in Jenkins + Bash and will probably use Jenkins pipeline (Groovy) in the future ... would prefer a scripting language over YAML

Do you really want to switch to Apache Groovy? Bash is pretty standard for scripting *nix whereas noone knows what the standard is for scripting the JVM?

jredmond 9 years ago | |

I can't answer the PM questions, but the Bitbucket blog is hosted externally, not on Bitbucket itself.

netcraft 9 years ago |

I've used and loved bitbucket for years for private project hosting, but for the occasion where I need to put more devs on a particular project I'm not sure why I would pay for it now over using gitlab for free. It might be different if it was 5 users per project for free, but 5 collaborators across all of my projects is just too limiting - especially when I can get everything bb has and more from gitlab.

At the same time I understand bb needs to make money - hopefully they'll make enough to keep up the competition.

falsedan 9 years ago | |

  > I understand bb needs to make money

They're an Atlassian product, they're pretty ok on the cash-money front.

kzisme 9 years ago | |

Have you noticed any drawbacks to using Gitlab over Bitbucket/Github?

netcraft 9 years ago | | |

admittedly I haven't used gitlab to the extent I have with bitbucket/gitlab - but so far I haven't found anything missing personally - in fact there a lot of things in gitlab that I wish were in the others. A lot of the github enhancements lately have been things that gitlab had first.

The only real downside at the moment is for public open source github is still the place everyone is expecting you to be. Its hard enough for small projects to be noticed on github, putting them somewhere else means nobody will ever see them just browsing. But for private or private-for-now projects gitlab seems to be the best fit for me currently.

kaishiro 9 years ago | | |

Not OP, but as a majority user of Gitlab the only downside is integrations. By that I specifically mean Codeship. It's just not considered a first class citizen to some yet, which is unfortunate.

falsedan 9 years ago |

I was recently looking at BitBucket Data Centre, to move our in-house git server to something with better clustering & high-availablilty & failover (rather than doing it ourselves). I was a little disappointed to find out the HA features are provided by storing your repos on an NFS server, and detaching/attaching it to the primary node.

mindsocket 9 years ago | |

Bitbucket PM here, sorry to hear this doesn't suit you. Could you tell me more? If like to better understand your concern.

falsedan 9 years ago | | |

Sure! We don't have any NFS infrastructure, so migrating to BitBucket means paying for the license + some kind of SAN + engineers to look after it.

We'd much prefer to use EFS but I understand that it's not supported, since there's no way to set `lookupcache=positive` (git push might update the ref to an object which may not be immediately available across all NFS clients & they would cache that the object doesn't exist unless this is set)[0]

[0]: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/high_availability/...

cyberferret 9 years ago |

Bitbucket user for many years now, and I was on the Pipelines Beta. Pipelines is pretty cool IMO - we set it up to automatically upload websites to S3 and invalidate CloudFront caches as soon as code is git pushed to BB.

xroche 9 years ago |

Bitbucket is Nice, but why the 1GB/2GB repository limit, especially for paid users (entreprise version) ? Never understood this limit...

vegardx 9 years ago |

Doesn't really matter that they've made Pipelines available for all users when it's lacking some pretty basic functionality. Like the ability to do something on failed builds.

But other than that it looks really good and responsive. Going to be interesting to see how the influx of new users will impact the average build time.

spittet 9 years ago | |

Hi vegardx, I'm the lead Product Manager on Pipelines. First of all, thanks for your comment. It's still early days for us but we've had some great feedback from beta customers and making it available to all customers allows us to help a lot more teams on Bitbucket. Regarding the failed builds you can use webhooks [1] today to trigger actions after the pipeline completes and we'll work on extending this capability in the future.

Our first focus was to make a platform that can scale on demand without hard constraints on the number of containers running. We know that we have some gaps to fill but we're now moving fast and we've added several features in the past weeks (repo status, notifications, pipelines statuses everywhere).

Thanks again for your feedback. Let me know if you have any questions.

Sten

[1] https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Notificat...

planetjones 9 years ago |

If I pay $10 for 1000 additional build minutes will those additional minutes roll over month to month, until they have been used?

spittet 9 years ago | |

Pipelines PM here. The model is a bit different, it's a pay as you go per blocks of 1,000 minutes. So if you normally use an extra 2,800 minutes per month you'll pay $30/month usually, but if for some reasons youd don't use it as much and drop to 1,500 extra minutes the next month you'll pay $20 for that month instead of $30/month every month of the year. For this reason we don't carry over minutes month to month.

Sten

planetjones 9 years ago | | |

I would like to carry minutes over. That would be far better for a solo developer like me, as I may need only 200 minutes a month, but I am stuck paying $120 a year in your model.

Much as I like Bitbucket I think either hosting my own CI and CD infrastructure on a cheap VPS or using gitlab is the way to go.