Intel Is Trying to Manipulate AMD Ryzen Launch?

Intel Is Trying to Manipulate AMD Ryzen Launch?(guru3d.com)

82 points by keth 9 years ago | 15 comments

baq 9 years ago |

from the article

> They question itself was already curious but if we dive deeper into the story we see the claims have been made by Semi-Accurate, not the most unbiased source.

yup, charlie loves to make fun of intel, but then, this is different.

further down, in the comments:

> (wccftech) This article has an update on it. It says:

> [UPDATED Feb 26 2017 7:16 PM ET]

> The editors-in-chief of two of Americas top PC hardware and technology publications have confirmed to Wccftech that they have indeed been approached by Intel regarding upcoming Ryzen reviews. Although both said that it was business as usual. Affirming that Intels response following AMDs Ryzen announcement was what they had expected it to be. Adding that nothing was particularly unusual about the emails they received from Intel.

> [End of update]

maybe it really is business as usual...?

emn13 9 years ago | |

If it is business as usual, that kind of makes it worse.

Then again, we have no idea what was in those emails, and wccftech is openly pro-amd, so even though I have no reason to think they're lying, they might easily still be interpreting things in an overly negative light.

Without a better overview (or at the very least somebody who has that overview and you trust to be relatively unbiased) it's hard to be sure what to make of this (IMHO).

abandonliberty 9 years ago | | |

>If it is business as usual, that kind of makes it worse.

Welcome to the world of business where participants are required to do everything with a sufficiently positive risk/reward ratio whether legal or not.

It's just business, as per this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13744390

trome 9 years ago | |

Yeah, but I'd be surprised if Charlie didn't squawk about it, when it comes to vendor demands, I just don't see him going silently into the night if Intel asked him to benchmark it in a certain manner.

Edit: Charlie did complain: http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/

trome 9 years ago |

Uhh, where are these claims on SemiAccurate's site? I don't see jack from Charlie or Tom over at SA in regards to Intel demanding they do things a certain way, the only thing of note I see is that Intel appears to have started talking to them after nearly a year long drought, then again Intel did cull their entire PR/Marketing staff right around when that drought started.

http://semiaccurate.com/2017/02/20/intel-launch-atom-xeon-d-...

redtuesday 9 years ago | |

"This last bit may explain why Intel PR sent out a last-minute “call us before you write” email to most of the press, but not SemiAccurate, after hours last night."

Quoted from: https://semiaccurate.com/2017/02/22/amds-ryzen-7-1800x-beats... (you can find it towards the end)

trome 9 years ago | | |

Ah, there it is. The comments on Guru3D also had a link to wccftech with similar comments, but they look to have censored it, its as though Guru3D is fighting showing any sources.

Much better article over at wccftech: http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/

gspetr 9 years ago |

The title is a clickbait. No proof, not even circumstantial.

trome 9 years ago | |

I know, like, if they wanna reference SA, just link to where you saw it over there or in their forums, instead of spreading rumors...

mtgx 9 years ago |

There is another rumor that Intel is lowering prices with some customers but at the same time asking for exclusivity. Predatory pricing and exclusivity deals is exactly what lost them the 1 billion euro lawsuit in the EU 8 years ago. Considering AMD was almost wiped up since then, I guess it was worth it?! Oh, and Intel still hasn't paid that fine yet:

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-still-hasnt-pa...

I sure hope Intel is not up to the same antitrust-worthy shenanigans again. They're big boys/big company. They can handle a little competition without immediately starting to use unethical or even illegal tactics, can't they?

keth 9 years ago | |

> I sure hope Intel is not up to the same antitrust-worthy shenanigans again.

That's why I posted this even though it's nothing but a rumor at this point. I've met many colleagues over the last years who either didn't knew or had forgotten what Intel did in the past. This rumor should remind them to be wary when reading the reviews (just in case).

skylan_q 9 years ago | |

I sure hope Intel is not up to the same antitrust-worthy shenanigans again.

This is what it smells like to me. I hope they've learned from this, though.

eb0la 9 years ago |

They should.

When a sound competitor enters into your market, you must do whatever it means (legally of course) to close the doors of the market.

In the case of Intel, they've been enjoying almost no competition in the PC market and they must not yield that position easily.

bndr 9 years ago |

As always, the most likely answer is NO [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

muterad_murilax 9 years ago | |

Is it even a question to begin with? ("Intel is..." vs. "Is Intel...")