Ask HN: How do you benefit from Hacker News? I have known HackerNews for quite a year and most of the time (daily) i review the top 5, 6 links based on my favor, i recently started to think that it's very diverse and mostly i forget about the tricks and fresh thing i read, i just want to know are others like me and they just read and forget or do you feel and act other than this!? |
Sadly the newsletter has only 4 subscribers and I might discontinue it in the future. However, I will not stop favoriting comments which contain important lessons.
Now I'm thinking about building a tool which will send you favorite comments of a user to your mailbox on a frequency you choose. You can add your own user and then you will not forget the things which you favorite because you will keep getting them in your inbox.
I chose the e-mail format to make sure that I don't lose any lesson. E-mail forces you to act on it: either read it or delete it. I made a weekly newsletter so people don't get drown in e-mails.
But I totally get your point, I will think about a way of solving this issue. Until then you can also subscribe via RSS to the e-mails:
https://us9.campaign-archive.com/feed?u=383e62709f4ac9e20d7d...
It definitely helps with the motivation :D Already started to build a small tool for myself to help me curate the best content for the subscribers.
Hope you will enjoy the e-mails to come :)
I also like the general distaste for clickbait, markety bullshit,etc. I guess in that respect, it's like all the brains you'd expect from silicon valley with very little of the Kool Aid.
...but mostly I just like seeing people piss & moan about Electron using >50MB of RAM
It's not like that now. The elves have left middle earth.
HN's greatest contributors of the past, have been gone for years. Worse still, the site's audience has broadened greatly and its content has shifted towards the very mainstream news topics that it once avoided. Moderators have clear political axes to grind. While the site initially shunned submissions related to politics (and even codified this in its guidelines), it's no longer uncommon for flags to be turned off explicitly political stories that lead to viscous flame wars.
HN is invaluable, as a reminder in the fragility of communities and of the impermanence of anything we create. If a project that some of the smartest people on the planet put their heart and soul into can fall apart so ruinously, who are we to have any ego about our creations?
But sometimes there will be a worthwhile link, or a salient comment, perhaps once a week; and that's about ratio i've found when using HN over the years. And those things are the things I remember.
If you like something, comment on it - it means more than a vote, and helps you bookmark it if you ever want to track back to it.
Or is it usually started by someone's "Show HN" post?
I'm sure these generalizations are too broad.
1. Mainstream news stories were more common on HN in past years (actually a lot more common); 2. moderators don't moderate HN to suit their own politics (in fact we take great care not to); 3. we don't block anyone for making a comment about YC (that's in response to your user profile, since I can't reply there).
2. I've seen it happen countless times. With the exception of pg himself, who displayed an allergy to politics or anything that got in his way of attempting to discover truth, I believe every HN moderator his sit firmly on the same side of the political spectrum and culture wars.
Being humans, most have a propensity to ignore inflammatory or factually incorrect comments they agree with while flagging those they don't as "generic" or flamewar inducing. I noted dozens of examples of this behavior but the ROI on going through them is almost certainly poor or negative. The moderation response related to major controversies of the past 2 years has been clear. Which pages were artificially weighted was very poorly correlated with the intellectual honesty of their contents.
3. I was indeed prevented immediately upon making the comment in my profile, and met with a message that I was commenting too quickly. Even after waiting a full hour, I was still blocked from commenting.
Interestingly another story recently asked about YC's GDPR compliance and was weighted so heavily that it sank below much older stories with fewer upvotes. Comments didn't outnumber votes, ether.
#3 is actually related to #2 as YCs deepening economic and political investment in an authoritarian state increases the likelihood of a future HN where comments challenging certain militaristic, ethno-nationalist propaganda will be flagged as "generic political arguments" while repeating the propaganda itself is allowed.
My view of YC's ethics is not so poor that I think this is an immediate risk, but money does tend to bend politics over time. In the early days, few expected Yahoo would one day assist in uncovering rights activists so they could be executed, and yet they did.
If the question is "what site in early 2018 most resembles HN of 2006", I believe the answer is Indie Hackers. Its community is open, friendly, genuinely helpful and focused on business.
It's not quite the same since it takes more of a pro-bootstrapper stance, but then again the HN ethos used to be more tilted towards frugality and truly early-stage companies than it now is.
Things will undoubtedly change as they grow, but IH is arguably the finest place on the internet for entrepreneurs.
Sorry I'm on mobile and cannot edit the comment
I release every Friday morning around 8:00 UTC+1
2008: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=348994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=278434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=243561
2010: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1934367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1542380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1320152
2013: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6157485
Sound familiar? Those are just the first few I found. In those arguments, pg was in favor of keeping politicized stories if they were intellectually interesting and not just about politics:
2008: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=243614
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=349168
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=196756
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94861
2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2403775
We've kept the original rule that a political story on HN needs to have something intellectually interesting, but we've also tightened it. For example, when a thread turns into a political flamewar, we moderate it more than pg used to. There were many past submissions that neither users nor moderators would allow today, like these from ten years ago:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=94840
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=208518
Just look at those threads! (Edit: also interesting how the item IDs more than doubled in the first half of 2008.)
Re "I've seen it happen countless times": since you don't know anything about our politics, what you're seeing is your own interpretation of whatever stood out to you, which is likely whatever you most disliked. I know it feels convincing, but people convince themselves of everything this way, from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15546533 to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307091. It is called the Hostile Media Effect (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), and there are countless examples on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=....
Re your account, it looks like we rate limited it because it has a history of using HN primarily for political (and especially national) battle, which is against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. That's routine HN moderation. Saying something about YC was not the active ingredient; people do that all the time without getting moderated. Indeed we have a rule against moderating HN for that reason: see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... and https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=....
Re the YC/GDPR thing: it's impossible to say much without a specific link but I can tell you we didn't downweight it because of YC—that would break the rule I just mentioned. Users were complaining about a flurry of GDPR posts in recent weeks and even posting lists of recent discussions, so if we touched it at all it was probably dupe-related.
The Eternal September comment rings true. There was a staggering change from 2006-2008, and a gradually decelerating decline ever since. Site policy changes are not necessarily the primary factor. As an audience gets orders of magnitudes larger, it grows diluted and less cohesive. That said, I fully agree with DanielBMarkham's comments from the election thread (despite having been in political agreement with the majority myself).
PG has made truly non-PC comments here and in essays. His writing isn't that of a populist or a cultural conservative by any means, but is also clearly out of tune with the bay area echo chamber. There is a wide space between supporting Trump and not fitting in in SV! Broadly, the political topics pg seems to write about have been an opposition to political correctness, favoring equality of opportunity, and a belief that individuals creating wealth help the world rather than harm it. Some of these positions were either left leaning or had broad popular support 20 years ago, but most would now be considered right or centrist. This, coupled with his previous willingness to voice deeply sensitive but true observations, may have lead to his retirement (e.g. "founders with strong foreign accents have less startup success"). Things may have changed after Valleywag took aim at him, however.
The only "battle" being waged from this side is
1) for the pursuit of truth
2) for the freedom, happiness and well-being of every human to the greatest degree possible
Trying to accumulate karma leads to ever stronger filter bubbles. Consequently, karma is a resource best spent on ideas that are both possibly true and deeply unpopular. Given the willingness to dissent and the apparent alignment of goals with HN's stated guidelines, these and future comments may possibly serve as a useful canary in a coal mine.