Introducing Navigate on Autopilot(tesla.com) |
Introducing Navigate on Autopilot(tesla.com) |
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9pkvy0/psa_v9_...
The fixing of bugs like this without admission of guilt isn’t unique to Tesla. Apple, Google, Samsung, and many others do the same.
The reason they haven’t been buried in a lawsuit is because these are driver assistance features, not self driving features. It’s the responsibility of the driver to keep control of their car at all times.
Arguing that “people think they can drive with their hands off the wheel” isn’t a real legal argument. This is why Tesla warns drivers in documentation that they need to keep control of the car at all times.
This is the same legal argument that has caused warnings in microwave manuals about not putting animals inside them to dry them out. Just because someone misinterprets the capabilities of technology they purchase doesn’t mean the technology isn’t doing what it’s designed to do.
All self driving cars and driver assistance tools will be imperfect. The question is whether or not they are statistically safer than the average human. If you are an above average driver (by your record, not your impression of yourself), these tools may be unnecessary or may actually be worse for you. It’s the average and below average people that they do wonders for.
Please stop using one or two data points to form an opinion about something that has millions and millions of data points.
I disagree. If you're arguiung for driverless cars, the comparison should be with the average driver aided by a driver assistance system.
I’ve noticed that behavior when there is a turn off on the highway that isn’t marked off. The car will start to drift to the right (to stay in the “middle”) if you don’t kee i’ve noticed that behavior win there is a turn off on Highway that isn’t marked off. The car will start to drift to the right (to stay in the “middle“) if you don’t intervene. I imagine if I kept going it would then decided it was outside the lane (after turnoff was passed) and yell at me.
The Model X that hit the barriers in the Bay Area would not have happened if A. Lane marker painting had been kept under maintenance. They were mostly missing.
B. The crash barrier had been in place, instead it was missing from an earlier crash. The missing arresting system caused the car to strike the Jersey barriers with no safety controls. This is the equivalent of driving into a 6" wide concrete wall at freeway speed.
Either California can shut down the entire highway for a week until they replace the crash barrier, or Tesla can build their self-driving cars to be able to recognize only moderately faded white lines.
What is also a major issue is lack of design patterns on roads. Rather than using a standard set of merging lanes, circles, right and left turn lanes, etc, there are hundreds of variations across municipalities. What makes it worse is that even the patterns in a single municipality aren’t often followed. We notice this when driving on 290 from Austin to Houston where the turn lanes are sometimes marked with a white line on the left and other times marked with a yellow line.
It’s going to take a concerted effort by legislature to help driver assistance and self driving cars by adjusting roads to make them safer rather than the free-for-all we have now.
Mad Max is definitely a feature I want self-driving cars to have. </sarcasm>
Autopilot is not so compelling if you live in Europe with 'analog' roads rather than the mix of well designed, nice and wide 'residential', 'street level' and 'interstate highway' roads that there are in the U.S.A.
Reminds me of Space Shuttle launches, at the start of the programme people would be transfixed for hours waiting to see what would happen, a couple of years later it was 'meh', no need to put the TV on. Even if there was a cool spacewalk some of the magic was lost, awe levels dropped from 10/10 to 7/10. Autopilot is a bit like that, kind of need to see it work going through the streets of Paris, Cairo or Bombay for it to be back in the realm of stunningly amazing.
So at least technology wise my dream becomes true: a car that takes care of the biggest and most boring part of long drives, the highways. Hopefully legislation will follow soon...
I'd agree if you could trust it and didn't have to be actively involved in watching your car drive for you. Sounds pretty boring as is though. Sleep inducing.
It'd be like having a normally very reliable chauffeur that would occasionally get horribly confused and do something very wrong, and you had to watch their every move, most of which are perfect, for the remote chance of terrible confusion and be ready to grab the wheel.
This makes it sound like it's just a problem with evil legislators not making it legal for Tesla drivers to drive without paying attention.
Is this the case?
It’s one thing that the stereo goes to 11, that’s funny. But I’m not going to die if the stereo has a bug.
What's with all the pop culture references in this car? Is this the Ready Tesla One trim package?
Given how aggressively US DoT enforces safety regulations for vehicles you would have thought there would have been far more pushback, not just on truth in advertising but more importantly road safety for both SD vehicles and the people around them.
Presumably the bureaucrats are asleep and not paying attention, so there is no formal adherence to the levels of self driving that everyone except regulators seem to regularly quote (Toyota et al) https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2017/05/25/...
There are three modes for how aggressive to be with lane changes. A least aggressive mode, a most aggressive mode, and a middle setting. You can also turn it off completely.
Naming the highest setting Mad Max mode doesn't make that setting more dangerous -- it makes the average car less aggressive by discouraging people from selecting that option. Contrast that with if they called the options "drive super slow", "drive slow" and "normal" without changing the behavior of each setting.
It could only work if ALL vehicles were automated and no human driving was allowed. But even then, walking people will exploit the overly-safe vehicles' decisions and just force the priority (which is probably a good thing to give the city back to walking people).
In my opinion, the capital cities won't be the same once autonomous cars are fully developed, there will be probably more public transport, and more car-pool sharing drive services, more escooters, etc. The most interesting long term usage of autonomous driving is on highway and smaller cities than capitals, with less traffic
a) training and education - it is way more difficult and takes longer to get a driver's licence in Western Europe than in the US
b) mandatory vehicle inspections - I think this varies by state in the US, but even the strictest state legislation is still less strict than Western European countries when it comes to allowing dangerous vehicles on the roads
c) less regulation for truck drivers' work hours - I think in the past decade, sleep deprivation amongst transportation workers and the results thereof has received increasing exposure in the press, which is good, but awareness only goes so far
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The deaths per VMT measure is EU-wide, not just Western Europe.
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/reason-why-radio-goes-...
I agree that Tesla overhypes their system the most and that contributes to consumer confusion. They use the classic Silicon Valley tactic of making their features which are comparable to competitors seem light years ahead through marketing. On one hand, it sucks for consumers, on the other hand, this type of advertising is rampant and they are playing the game.
Tesla’s over promising does erode trust. There’s only so many times you can promise stuff that’s obviously overhyped or years out (FSD) before consumers will stop believing the hype.
What’s interesting about Tesla is that almost all of their controversy is self inflicted by Elon’s comments.
What’s not clear to me is if this is intentional as he wants to stay in the news cycle or if it’s driven by his ego.
https://www.newsweek.com/2014/04/04/you-drive-american-24806...
Daily highway driving is much more common for commutes and errands, suburbs have dangerous arterial street designs.
I'm sure there's more to it, such as licensing and vehicle safety measures, but American highway design (and making local roads into mini highways) is a part of it.
Also the EU measure is EU-wide, and not all countries in the EU are as strict as say Germany for licensing.
I’m saying that our basis right now is whether or not driver assistance systems are making driving safer or less safe.
Driverless cars are currently only used in specific areas under tight regulation. They are not generally available and this article is about Teslas which are not self-driving, they have driver assistance features.
The original commenter above was making a remark about how the driver assistance features in a Tesla are “unsafe” due to a highway barrier accident.
I was making the counter argument that the driver was acting in an unsafe fashion by using driver assistance features as “self-driving”
I agree that if driver assistance features with a human driving are safer than driverless cars, driverless cars are not ready.
The point I was trying to make is that rather than talking about a single traffic accident, we have to look at the data. This is a law or large numbers thing, not penny press headlines.
I don’t think this a choice between driverless cars or not. We should be looking for the solutions which reduce traffic fatalities and injuries and also those which reduce the amount of hours wasted in traffic. Driver assistance features or self driving is only one angle for that. Improving road design patterns, building roads that actually follow the principles of psychology and fluid dynamics related to driving, properly maintaining roads, and other non technology related solutions are also potential factors for improvement.
Of course reliance on this breeds complacency and allows longer commutes, but so do automatic transmissions, straight tracking wheel alignment, or cruise control. Maybe we would all drive more safely if there were giant spikes that killed us instantly rather than airbags, but we aren't going back... and hopefully one day (before I need it) we'll have true self driving.
At the moment, they are really good in certain situations (stop and go traffic, highways that are maintained properly and designed really well, roads without a lot of high speed curves, etc)
They won’t add value to many commutes but they add tremendous value to others.
Like all products, they are definitely not one size fits all
I want to make clear the difference between driverless and autonomous/self-driving/assistance. The difference is frequently muddled by Tesla and Elon musk with false marketing.
Unfortunately so. I really wish advertisers were held to higher standards