Ask HN: Technical roles without technical interviews? Well, I'm done with technical interviews (as a candidate). So far in this job search I've gone through the full interview process at close to 15 companies, and have done over 40 technical rounds in that time. I just can't handle the stress, anxiety, and rejection any more. Is there a job out there that can take advantage of over a decade's worth of software engineering experience but that doesn't have a technical interview portion? |
I think we are about to experience a tech bubble bursting type of situation (especially given the over inflated valuations + ridiculous stock prices of FAANG), meaning much less jobs, much higher competition and a whole world of pain, which will result in many folks leaving this profession (especially those with little experience and with no real formal education).
Now with the emergence of things like GPT-3 expect further automation of annoying software dev tasks and a lot of front end roles transforming or going away entirely. I think future devs will need more ML exposure and experience as that will become a standard part of the job soon enough, and we might enter an era of growth after the bust with much more ML integration into products and new companies forming around that.
In 5 years, the world of software dev will be a different place.
In the meantime, take a vacation, relax your brain, understand that most of us are getting rejected and it has little to do with our skill, and get back to leetcoding if you want those high paying cushy jobs. Use the smaller companies who insist of pretending they are FAANG as practice, and aim for FAANG my friend.
That's the best advice I can give because I feel the same pain and that's what I'm doing.
I appreciate the advice of relaxing for a bit. Although I wouldn't want to wish this on anyone, it is a bit relieving to hear that others are experience something similar. Best of luck to you
Most of them had 3 stages and a technical task that was expected to be your best work ever.
You’re not alone in feeling this way so just stick at it until the right role comes along. Read, study and improve in the meantime while you prepare for each interview. You’ll come out the other end a stronger engineer.
On the other end, by hiring only in your network, the result is often companies lacking diversity. If you only work with people you know, you’ll probably work with people from the same schools, same social class, same experiences, etc. as you. At least technical interviews are more objective and give a chance to people with diverse backgrounds.
We can probably find a proper mix between network and technical interviews. In my opinion the technical interviews should be here to select candidates as a prior step to any other interview. So they should be quite easy. (I’m always surprised by the proportion on candidates to fail in very easy technical tests.) The true candidate evaluation should be done according to soft skills: ability to communicate, curiosity, desire to learn and help people, etc.
I'm not talking about FAANG (because, honesty, 99.9% of us don't work/will never work for a FAANG. And this includes HN folks as well. So it's pretty useless to take FAANG as examples of anything).
Still, when I send a CV, I receive a leetcode challenge that I have no desire to study for and that doesn't represent my skillset or what I will be working with.
Is frankly very upsetting. That is before even talking with a human being.
> I haven't done mock interviews with a friend, but I did pay for a few mock technical interviews.
Chances are that, given such extensive preparation, it's not really the technical part that is the problem, if you haven't been able to get an offer after going through a full process at 15 companies. Of course, it might be a severe case of bad luck, but I'd bet that your anxiety and stress are somehow leaking through. Did you self-reflect on that, and if yes, what are your thoughts?
1. Become enough of an expert/authority in your field that you're hired on the work you've done in the past. If you're a superstar that invented a game changing JavaScript framework or open source project used by millions, people aren't gonna throw you into a technical interview before hiring you.
2. Find companies your friends/acquaintances work for and get the job through your connections rather than a formal interview process.
3. Apply for jobs at smaller or less technically focused companies where interviews are a bit more traditional (and often come down to a quick chat over a coffee or something).
That depends. There's the case of the person who wrote brew being asked technical questions to work at Apple.
In smaller fields, maybe. In FAANG I believe you would still go through the pipeline.
On (2) likewise for a FAANG
You can show your abilities by building side projects,communicating the communities,writing blogs or even contributing to the open source communities
I haven't done mock interviews with a friend, but I did pay for a few mock technical interviews.
I much prefer technical assessments that are related to the day-to day. In either case, I'm much more comfortable working alone than I am with someone watching in an interview. I've only ever worked alone and in these interviews I have a hard time concentrating.
I'm not someone who can talk out loud and code at the same time. When I'm coming up with a solution I think about a potential solution, recognize why it won't work, and then go on to the next idea. I feel like this happens rapidly in my head, but if I were to "talk out loud" I would just be constantly saying why things won't work and it would take so much longer to get to the final idea.
It's kind of like how if you were to loop through 100K items in the console. If you don't output anything to the screen it's really quick, but when you start printing the number it takes longer to run.
But really, I just feel like leetcode style interviews don't touch the surface of my working experience and capabilities at all, and only focus on a very narrow thing.
I realize this is where the industry is right now, so I'm looking for roles that aren't a "programmer" but still benefit from my programming experience.
When you play a game, and encounter a particularly difficult level, do you also feel like you don't have the skills needed to pass this level and therefore you should just give up? Treat the interview process as a game. Everyone plays the same game, and some people are better at it than others, but it's just that, a game. Try to have fun with it. After all, you became a programmer because you enjoy solving technical puzzles, right? Maybe having to solve a puzzle with a timer, and with someone watching you is making you uncomfortable, but it still involves doing what you love and what you're good at. If you can't change the world, change your attitude.
By dismissing companies hidden behind this interview practice you eliminate the majority of good SE jobs. You potentially trade a bad interview experience for a bad job. Is this a good trade?
I have been rejected by FAANG, but I'm not surprised. I knew those were long-shots, I guess I'm surprised that in reality the others were long-shots too.
I kind of have a feeling that everyone who has hired me in the past feels they made the right decision, but also everyone who hasn't extended an offer feels the same way.
I also could just suck. Like all things, the answer is probably some combination.