Inside Xinjiang’s Prison State

Inside Xinjiang’s Prison State(newyorker.com)

64 points by seapunk 5 years ago | 28 comments

I have found the China Neican newsletter [1] to have insightful, contextualized critique of CCP as well as critique of the US+Australian critique.

[1] https://www.neican.org

karmicthreat 5 years ago |

I definitely hate China's oppression of its minorities. I think we are seeing the true color of a nation that knows nobody will challenge them. When people try to color it by claiming "different cultural norms!" I just think, well if you just want a culture of evil, this is a good way to do so.

Also I have a smaller hate for the scrollamated site, it's so distracting.

swayvil 5 years ago | |

They're oppressing the minorities to create greater wealth and power for China's aristocracy (ultimately).

I know I'm stating the utterly obvious but it needs to be said. This is a natural side-effect of aristocrats doing what aristocrats do.

And yes, our world suffers from an infestation of aristocrats.

karmicthreat 5 years ago | | |

For a whole lot of Chinese, Han and others, China is a better place than it was 40 years ago. I think this gives the government there more power than it should really have over the attitudes of its people. Maybe as we get 2 or 3 more generations in the general attitude toward the government will shift away from justifying anything for the sake of Chinese unification.

adampk 5 years ago | |

I guess I am in the minority but I appreciate the scrollamated site.

I am slow at picking up information and find visual aids super helpful. An image with all the information on it is really busy and doesn't get through to me very well. But if I can "layer on" information at my desired pace of scrolling, it is a lot easier for me to ingest information than maybe a lot of different images where I have to break and rebuild my mental model each time, or a single image where all the information appears and I need to parse it myself.

For a slow thinker, this type of "at your own pace" visual guides is pretty nice.

hellbannedguy 5 years ago | | |

I thought it was very well done. If they keep up the good work I might even buy a subscription. I usually don’t like these rolling stories, but this was done differently, and the art work is great.

karmicthreat 5 years ago | | |

I think what would help it for me is if it had the option to page through incrementally. Rather than scrolling back and forth to see what I wanted to.

op03 5 years ago | |

More like Xi Jinping and the coterie have no opposition and have gone of the deep end.

tkgally 5 years ago | |

Regarding the site: A big "Yes!"

I subscribe to the New Yorker, and I sent them a complaint about the unnecessary and distracting cruff. It prevented me from reading the article through to the end.

lambda_obrien 5 years ago | |

Who's saying China should be allowed to do genocide because of different cultural norms? Sounds stupid to me.

threatofrain 5 years ago | |

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vulcan01 5 years ago | | |

No, I believe you've misunderstood. Apologists for the CCP often claim that there are "differences in cultural values" when trying to explain what's happening in Xinjiang.

Darmody 5 years ago |

I had to stop reading. I really, really dislike these kind of animated articles or whatever are they called.

Can't I just scroll down as usual and read the article and watch pictures and videos without having to scroll and scroll?

cwwc 5 years ago |

This info has been around for months, if not years. Glad to see it’s finally coming to light in the mainstream (however Mainstream the New Yorker can be deemed).

purple_ferret 5 years ago | |

I just did a quick google search of 'nytimes uighurs' and many articles came up.

Seems like mainstream news has been reporting on it. I know big corps like Disney are avoiding it because of money, but I don't know where the narrative of the mainstream media sweeping it under the rug came from.

nojito 5 years ago | |

Buzzfeed broke this with satellites months ago.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-new-inter...

mhh__ 5 years ago |

Given that this is a ycombinator site, has anyone thought about or started a startup (it's a really a product rather than a company, but still) that helps you optimize (say) Chinese products out of your life?

Daho0n 5 years ago | |

No Chinese products? I believe vegan is possible but no Chinese products? No chance. Not unless you live without electronics. But good idea anyways. Maybe a filter by country so you can optimise American and Israeli products out too.

mhh__ 5 years ago | | |

None is unrealistic but you can at very least minimise the amount of profit that actually stays in China. Progress is always incremental

shp0ngle 5 years ago | |

You will more easily eat completely kosher, halal or vegan than be without Chinese-made products.

It’s impossible.

the-dude 5 years ago | |

Ah, CancelCultureAsAService. Brilliant.

sircastor 5 years ago | | |

Is that not simply a boycott? Or voting with your wallet? “Cancel culture” has become a term to distort the problem when people start to be called out for bad behavior.

This is what you do when someone (person, company, country) does something you find objectionable. You tell them their behavior is unacceptable.

mhh__ 5 years ago | | |

Why is it cancel culture to not want to avoid China?