Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring(asia.nikkei.com)

45 points by shirkey 5 years ago | 54 comments

>Huawei Cloud became China's second-largest cloud services provider in the fourth quarter of 2020, growing its Chinese market share to 17.4%, according to data from research company Canalys. This marked a sharp contrast to the fourth quarter of 2019, when Huawei Cloud was not in the top three.

They entered a market dominated by 3 players (Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu) and went from not even on the list to 2nd place with 17.4% share over the course of 1 year, and this is deemed a failure? This is equivalent to a new player entering the US cloud market, leapfrogging GCP and Azure in a year, and then deciding to exit the business because they haven't caught up to AWS yet.

dragonelite 5 years ago | |

seems like they are stream lining the departments.

>Caixin reported an internal memo revealed Huawei’s server and storage products unit will become part of the Internet Products and Solutions Department, which will be renamed ICT Product Solution and handle product R&D.

For the rest I know too little about Chinese cloud offerings etc.

throw4738 5 years ago | |

Did they made any profit? Was there some path towards profitability?

》 revenue generated by Huawei Cloud grew 168% year on year.

llampx 5 years ago |

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion.

Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed them kneecapped.

We as consumers lose when competition is stifled.

selfhoster11 5 years ago | |

Huawei's offerings aren't competition, they are Advanced Persistent Threats from a Western-centric infosec perspective. Nothing of value was lost, once security is priced into the solution.

ansgri 5 years ago | |

From what I can tell, It’s just restructuring, and basically undoing a questionable prior organizational division at that. They have a lot of research centers around the world and don’t seem to slow down their AI efforts at all.

ChemSpider 5 years ago | |

> they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons

Which ones? And how were they better?

throwaway4good 5 years ago | | |

In general better bang for the buck; though a bit hard to see as they used exclusively in Huawei phones. The Huawei P30 pro e.g. was a flagship model sold for considerable less than the corresponding Samsung or Apple phones in Europe.

No doubt in my mind that had it not been for the sanctions Huawei would be the top selling mobile phone brand even eating into Apple's highend market.

This page lists some of the chips made Huawei:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiSilicon

There are some rumours that Samsung will start to manufacture their chips but the most interesting stuff will happen when mainland Chinese fabs become good enough at highend manufacturing. Then China will probably return the favour and start to ban American chips from the Chinese market.

bgee 5 years ago | | |

"The Snapdragon 888 wins in terms of CPU performance while the Kirin 9000 seems to be the one with the better GPU and AI capabilities. However, there are other factors to consider such as power efficiency where the Kirin 9000 already does excellently well as shown in our review video. So until there is an in-depth device-to-device comparison, we can’t say which chipset is the clear winner." [0]

[0]https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/12/04/chip-battle-snapdragon...

zeb88 5 years ago | |

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

chrischen 5 years ago | | |

The grandparent was alleging that their photo tech was better than Google’s. So from whom did they steal it from?

severino 5 years ago | | |

That may be an issue for you. For me (and for most people) it wasn't when I bought my Moto G or my current iPhone.

rurban 5 years ago | | |

On hand a rising communist regime dominating the markets, on the other an aggressive, genocidal, fascist regime, which once dominated the markets. Both backdooring their devices for global mass surveillance.

KoftaBob 5 years ago | |

Going by this logic, why doesn't the US kneecap European, South Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese companies that are competitive with US companies in those industries?

They key difference (outside of China being more adversarial in general) is that Chinese companies like Huawei blatantly steal IP from companies in those countries to make their tech.

Also, Huawei is essentially an arm of China's intelligence apparatus, so keeping them at a far distance from other counties' infrastructure is generally a good idea.

This isn't a protectionist thing, it's a corporate espionage and national security thing.

dragonelite 5 years ago | | |

Just because a company is located in Europe, south Korea, japan etc doesn't mean its a European, south Korean, Japanese etc company.

Look into their supply lines you will find that the core components are most likely US made so they have those companies by their balls. Or look into ownership breakdown might be that big US finance pretty much owns the companies voting wise.

Took ASML the core component the light source is a US product, with out that product ASML can't produce their EUV devices.