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Visualizing Voting Systems: Plurality vs. Approval Voting(schicks.github.io)

23 points by jhewlett 4 years ago | 6 comments

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troelsSteegin 4 years ago |

See also "How ranked-choice voting could change the way democracy works", https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/ran...

simonthefox 4 years ago | |

I'm actually working on a follow up to build interactive yee diagrams for IRV (version of ranked choice that's getting popular in the US), but Ka-Ping Yee already has a post with some static versions. IRV has some really unpleasant effects that these diagrams help make visible. For instance, in some cases a candidate might want to actively move public opinion away from their position because it makes it more likely that they would win. http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/

aidenn0 4 years ago | | |

Indeed, IRV is possibly the worst of the ranked-choice systems, but it's still an improvement on plurality systems. I like approval voting just because it's got a good combination of "easy to understand" and "much less strategic voting." A complicated, but theoretically superior system could erode trust in the voting system.

simonthefox 4 years ago | | |

I'm not totally convinced it's better than plurality. The link I shared shows some effects that I see as pretty disqualifying in a voting system. Beyond that, vote spoilage tends to increase with ranked systems in a way that is also pretty concerning, given that complex ballots have been used as tools of voter suppression in the US in the past. I'm all for changing away from plurality voting, but I think it's worth taking a more critical look at the results IRV produces.

aidenn0 4 years ago | | |

> shows some effects that I see as pretty disqualifying in a voting system

I think in most plausible configurations, the intersection of Condorcet and IRV is larger than the intersection of Condorcet and plurality if you ignore strategic voting.

Do we have good data about how people do or do not vote strategically in an IRV election?

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To clarify: I think both you and I would prefer approval to IRV; this is just discussing whether IRV or plurality is less-bad.

simonthefox 4 years ago | | |

Agreed about preference to approval. My problem with IRV isn't about strategic voting though; I think predicting the outcome is too complex to be concerned about that. The worry that I have is that a voting method that encourages candidates to move public opinion away from them will lead to weird outcomes and undermines public trust. I think the 2000 election had an example of this in plurality voting, where republicans campaigned for Nader hoping to split the vote. In IRV I worry that we'll see similar effects, where candidates campaign for opponents because they think it will give them a tactical advantage. Aesthetically that doesn't sound "fair" to me, and my worry is that weird behavior like that undermines trust in the system.