Explosion in central Oslo(bbc.co.uk) |
Explosion in central Oslo(bbc.co.uk) |
With my friends here there is already a Facebook worm going on which is supposed to show some video footage about the explosion but when you click it you're just spreading/liking the video.
Shocking to see how fast spammers are.
I recall on Sept 11th the sheer rush from users to consume information on the Internet. If something like 9/11 ever happens again anywhere in the world, spammers will jump right on the event like flies on sh*t.
I think this qualifies as something of sufficient importance that it should be here just so everyone is aware. We could do without the comments though. Maybe a "no comment" sort of link for events of vital importance that are off-topic? It would make a lot more sense than disabling comments for YC job postings.
Also, given that Islamic extremists would be the most obvious conclusion, how is it unreasonable to draw such assumptions, especially when a supposed Islamic group claimed responsibility?
> Extremists and fundamentalists are all the same,
> regardless of what they're worshiping
> given that Islamic extremists would be the
> most obvious conclusion
> Man started writing ~5000 years back
> Islam is a matured religion because it is
> written after Judaism/Christianity/Hinduism
-- A Norwegian Guy
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norw...
I'll add that the blast was unlike anything I've withnessed, even 3 blocks away.
EDIT: And by "wacked-out" I mean, "wack by even the standards of Al Qaeda." 9-11 didn't help their cause in my eyes, but I can see how they justified it to themselves. Whoever bombed Oslo - is a WTF on top of a WTF.
I guess I just feel like they have more important enemies, from their perspective, to attack.
Oslo is known for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords, an attempt at peace between Palestine and Israel.
The guy they have arrested for the massacre may face 21 years in prison.
Look up the FBI stats on radical muslim bombings on US soil vs radical christian vs radical athiest bombings. In fact, I seem to recall that radical jews had more attacks on US soil than radical muslims.
And since 9/11 was so neatly sown up, we'll never really know who was truly behind it.
150 people don't read the guidelines?
> Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is
> inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or
> offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag"
> link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If
> you flag something, please don't also comment that you did.the police in oslo much be very tight lipped, this must also be the first crime aince medieval times :)
I was surprised to learn that this was done by Norwegians.
>> guerrilla tactics and explosive devices to get their point
>> across?
Until July 1997, the IRA carried out several bombing and
shooting attacks. These included the Docklands bombing
and the Manchester bombing, which together killed 2
civilians, injured 212 more and caused around £500
million in damage.
The Oklahoma City bombing was a bomb attack on the Alfred
P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on
April 19, 1995.
sigh.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views...
There's no such thing as a 'radical atheist' in the sense that you're using it, mate. Also, there's no mention of atheists in the FBI stats you speak of - http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-200...
(Sorry, I'm sensitive to this, but then this is why we shouldn't be discussing religion and politics on HN...)
I was being lazy :P
Instead of blaming it on others, it should be addressed by the muslim world and not just denied. When a radical christian does something like, he is denounced by all christian leaders and people.
Love thy enemy != Kill the infidels
Al qaeda's ideology is quite simple. They reject modernity, they reject individualism, they reject modern commerce, and industry, and open societies. They want to end the influence of the western, liberal world on the arab/islamic world so that the latter can be returned to or preserved as a bastion of conservative and traditionalist culture and religion. Norwegians are as objectionable to their ideology as Americans, as they represent precisely those forces that they are fighting against (hedonism, personal liberty, etc.)
Aside from that, Norwegians have not shown as much respect or deference to Islam as al qaeda imagines they should. Norwegian newspapers reprinted the famously blasphemous "Mohammad cartoons", for example. We may not imagine that such a thing is important, we may imagine that free expression including blasphemy is indeed even a right that all people should have, and I think we should. But we shouldn't have any illusions that there are a lot of people who think otherwise. Who believe that blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy should be banned and punished to the most severe extent even up to death. It's curious to me that so many people could so easily misapprehend the motives and ideology of so prominent a movement as militant Islamism and so prominent an organization as al qaeda.
Good point on the cartoon, I had forgotten it was published there and can understand the outrage stemming from it.
I mean really, what is Norway going to do to you that America can't?
For a really twisted and super simplified frame of reference, think of the Joker's plan in Dark Knight. Put some 'innocents' in a screwed up situation to bring out the worst of them.
What do you believe their motivations are?