I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical software any longer.
The system would ask you to reboot the computer, at which point it would try to install the update. That failed with a bluescreen, requiring an automatic restore. This process took around 30 minutes on an SSD.
So far seems innocuous, but the thing is, as this was a mandatory update, after one or two days it would display an un-dismissable popup over the entire screen demanding a restart, which would repeat the process above.
This caused data loss in applications if the user didn't have the opportunity to save whatever data was in memory. Remember, the popup is undismissable, there were no ahead of time warnings, and the timing varied (so you couldn't even rely on "the computer will fuck up at 16:03" or whatever).
Why are there ads in paid software? Why is Microsoft content having a separation of "serious" Windows and consumer Windows, delineated by ads and spyware?
We generally don't, most servers and mission critical infrastructure runs Linux or a BSD. What scares me is that many medical devices do run on Windows and that is a future Therac-25 like incident waiting to happen ( https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Therac-25 )
The computer tied to the x-ray machine did a forced restart for Windows update, this is back in the days of Windows 7, and I had to get my teeth x-rayed all over again after we sat and waited for 20 minutes.
It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage.
Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.
Let's just say they're both insanely important to our continued functioning digital existence. Without working Linux or Windows we are quite fucked.
Not on the cellphone, smartv, router, supercomputer, webserver or tablet I use. Actually, they all run the same (with some customization) kernel.
Tablets, smartphones and smart tvs have been of increasing importance on education activities, specially after the pandemic. My router is used for ALL my internet traffic, important or not. Webservers... basically most of what most things people do online. And supercomputers are right now doing high relevancy tasks like running climate models, simulating protein folding, drug interactions and improving vehicle's safety.
I'd disagree those aren't mainly used for important work.
Supermarket checkouts, public services, small-scale logistics, health, just plain old office workers, and so on.
An undeniably large slice of companies and public sectors that do not have a dedicated IT staff rely on Windows-based computers to organize and operate their activities. Outages to those probably have more direct impact on actual everyday people going about their lives than an outage in a Mars rover or lack of WiFi access.
Just to be clear I'm not playing teams here, *nix-based systems are ridiculously important too, but the open-source base is arguably a more - democratic? healthy? stable? I lack of a better word - development process, and its importance does not lessen the importance of other systems.
I hate how my relationship with Microsoft/Google etc is essentially one where they're constantly pushing the boundaries of what I'm willing to put up with. It's fucking abusive.
True, but it depends on which component. For a year it couldn't sort and move symbols on the desktop without bugs.
On some systems there is a "Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry" process that will take all your CPU. Don't know, MS could farm bitcoins for all we know.
There are a lot of small issues, but yes, overall it got more dependent, although I think Win7 was stable as well.
Still, overall it doesn't really improve, it mostly gets worse. The infestation with ads shouldn't be allowed in any operating system. These are ideas from guys Steve Jobs warned us about.
I should be able to launch windows every couple of months without having to wait so long to do anything that I forget why I even booted into windows in the first place.
I'm not included in this "we". And I definitely pay a price for that by sacrificing some convenience. I'm sure the price would be lower if more people were willing to make the same sacrifices.
I can understand most end users being okay with that. Most are not educated to know the problems or alternatives. But developers should consider how contributions in code or money could improve competition and encourage development of better software for everyone.
Remembering the days of commuting by train, wether the train will come on time or not was a lottery. Traveling by car, accidents, jams, not being able to park etc. are mundane.
Elevator/escalators being in maintenance was also a common sight.
Things being broken feels part of life, and we learn to plan ahead, have alternatives or deal with it when there is nothing to help.
I think computers and remote services entering our everyday lives is part of that.
I'm not OK with it. It's one of the many reasons why I stopped using Windows on my own machines a decade or so ago. Sadly, though, I still have to use it at work, and every workday, I'm reminded why I stopped using Windows.
They certainly add the occasional convenience, but it's actually really easy to go a week or three at a time without any of it.
That's always an option, and it's a fairly good one if it's making you feel how you describe.
I'm gonna come camp out on your front porch, it's fine ok? Not to be glib but if this bothers you have you considered just moving out of your house? Maybe house living is just not for you man, just walk away.
That being said I also love technology. It's fucking magic and I'm a mage. I have immense power over one of the most effective forces in the world and I spend a depressing amount of it to circumvent annoyances forced upon me by people trying to part me from my money. It's so frustrating because I love what technology is and what it can enable for people, and I hate how trash the baseline is, and I especially hate most people don't even know how good things could be if we y'know had open standards and shit. I know that there isn't an easy fix, but my frustration is none the less valid. So much of humanity's effort in tech is spent on bullshit that doesn't add value at best, and is actively detrimental to all but a few humans on average.
no, you are not the customer.. executive management, legal and finance are the target customer
At work all the coorperate crapware makes the machine so unstable anyway Microsoft’s malware would just be one more thing. It’s a broken window (heh) situation.
The idea that we're OK with random popups, feature promotions, nags to use this or that or enable some setting, and outright advertising on our computers is just mind-boggling.
From the article comes this nugget of knowledge.
quote This problem combines two of latter-day Windows' most annoying tendencies. First, the operating system relentlessly promotes and prioritizes Microsoft's first-party apps and services. Second, the operating system talks to Microsoft's servers in the background to report diagnostic data, fetch advertisements, and even download Windows Store apps without asking. As Aleksandersen correctly points out, these non-essential background processes shouldn't be capable of breaking core functionality. unquote
Microsoft has learned nothing from Solar Winds. Time for some popcorn. It's funny how the concept of security has slipped from "no open ports and no default services" to "backdoors (automatic download and install) and telemetry (data exfiltration without permission -also backdoor).
With that said, I get that things go bad in betas - this is the point of a beta release - but this still feels egregiously bad. It also highlights the direction Windows is going, which is cause for criticism even if this worked perfectly.
It's right there.
Sure, it relies on the surrounding context that Windows 11 is in beta, but that's pretty common knowledge.
like, even in a buggy system, it shouldn't happened, and there is clearly not enough isolation, something that isn't gonna get fixed in a release candidate and be prepared for this to somehow turn into a ring0 exploit later down the line.
If the computer starts with a working Internet connection, but then you lose Internet, Start Menu search just stops working during net downtime. Meaning I type some app name like "calc" in the Start Menu search box and nothing appears! Which is absolutely ridiculous, I can't search for locally installed apps, or Windows settings. Even if I disabled Cortana and Internet search in the Statt Menu (or maybe because of it?)
And I failed to Google the problem since all the keywords combinations I tried inevitably lead to some article on how to disable Internet search in the Start Menu, so I have no idea if I'm the only one with this bug.
[1] https://www.ft.com/content/9e09d082-b5d3-11e3-a1bd-00144feab...
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-irs-decided-to-get-to...
Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are.
The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying Sprit airlines when you boot it up.
Windows gives me heartburn.
If you work for a place that is largely just about shuffling money to yourself by exploiting info asymmetry sabotage it or quit. You most likely have a skillset that can earn you a living wage somewhere that's a net positive for society.
Me.. Vista.. 8.. 11
I miss Balmer a little bit. Developers hate this shit. Have trust that if you support developers, they will advocate your OS.
[cue hyper-emotional MSFT spokesperson reaction GIF]
I will search for an app that I have installed and instead of opening the app it will open a bing search for the app that I have installed.
It's so infuriating that if there were a M$ rep within arm reach I might be tempted to do violence towards them.
The start menu web search is actually really good for quickly searching for things.
You funny. Have you ever encounted a Win 10 bug ? Did you find any fix ? For example: mouse clicks extra when the mouse button is pressed (drag) or double clicks when you single click. Or Title bar and menubar/ribbon dissapears in multimonitor environment.
I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.
No, I do not care that the newer version is more "modern", "stylish", "sleek", "clean", or any other number of useless buzzwordy adjectives. Tell me concretely what's actually better about it and how it will improve my (my, not your!) "experience". An OS should not be a fashion statement nor an advertising platform. It's a tool people use to get real work done.
It's been some time now, but I still remember the first time I upgraded away from Windows 7 and feeling disappointed.
Since then my hardware is massively more powerful, but I'm still to be convinced my current Windows 10 setup is better than that older Windows 7 setup.
Possibly related to Microsoft explicitly saying "there will be no further versions of Windows after Windows 10".
I’m an infrequent user of it but have a starkly different opinion. It feels like a layer on top archeology and the number of places you have to go to find settings and controls is unhelpful.
What legitimately useful features can we expect out of the release of iOS five major versions down the line? Will there be any new features that change the status quo, and that we'd be practically unable to live without? The significant features like the app store and multitasking have already been done long ago. As for macOS, it seems that the new security controls and notifications are significantly impacting some people's user experience, but they're still "improvements" from Apple's standpoint.
And yet Apple and Microsoft are still somehow compelled to keep releasing new versions of their operating systems on a fairly regular basis. It's hard to imagine there will be a "final" or even long-term-support version of iOS. But those companies aren't going to market their new OS versions as changing nothing, so something has to change.
I'm honestly very curious to see what will happen ten years from now when the vendors will struggle to meet their own arbitrary standards for innovation with each new OS version when, by nature, there are not many more significant breakthroughs left to be had.
Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Easter-egg UI, with controls disguised as text or simply invisible unless you accidentally roll over them.
And my favorite: Microsoft has disabled remote desktop access except in its "pro" version. Gee, Microsoft: Your contention is that a PROFESSIONAL is the most likely customer to need someone else to log in and help him remotely? Retarded.
When my parents have an issue that I could log in and solve, guess what? I can't. And no, Microsoft, I'm not "upgrading" them to a "pro" version of your broken shit. I'm going to buy them a Mac, and that's the end of Windows in any of my family's homes. And this is coming from a former Windows enthusiast / professional developer / Mac scorner.
You don't realize how unusable Windows has become until you try to set someone up on it. Its E-mail program is absymal, defective in design and function. Outlook isn't included anymore. If you do make the mistake of installing another glorified spam conduit, Office 365, you'll be treated to defects that literally render it unusable to some people: I increased the system-wide font size for my parents, but Outlook didn't honor it. E-mail subjects in the In box remained microscopic and illegible.
And of course there's the endless goddamned harangue to log in with your Microsoft account. A huge portion of the population is laden with an ever-growing pile of accounts and passwords. An account to log into your computer. Another for E-mail. Another for Apple products. Another for your cable provider. ENOUGH. They have no idea which one I'm asking for when I need to get their password to help them with something.
It's easy for the Hacker News demographic to forget that PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS MESS. And so they are writing down their IDs and passwords on Post-Its and putting them on their computers. They are using the same password on every site that demands that they use an E-mail address as a user ID, because they think that this is required.
Then the users feel dumb and blame themselves for problems, which pisses me off even more. They're being TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY MICROSOFT and others, rendering their computers essentially unusable and their security at risk. It's disgraceful.
I may have misgivings about certain things in modern desktops but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge absolutely deliver a better experience for an average user compared to XP, Microsoft Briefcase, Windows Messenger and IE6 - and XP was one of the good ones!
My company issued laptop came with all that. After installing some important software (embedded compiler and IDE, wsl, etc) my one drive complained it was full, which needs to be addressed or it will keep complaining. The recommended solution is to upgrade to a paid onedrive with more then 5GB. I didnt know I was using onedrive, so I turned it off. All my important files created over that last few months disappeared. I could buy more onedrive space to restore them or they did show them all in some folder so dragged them back to various places. This was 100 percent wasted time since the machine came with something on the order of 100 times the 5GB onedrive freebie limit.
Now months after having turned off onedrive, it's full again. Must have got turned on again, but not by me.
Teams is another one I dont even want to get started on. And edge is just chrome with MS corruption and starting at Bing.
I'm not familiar with Briefcase (never knew what it did) and I'll give you Edge vs IE6.
But Teams vs Windows Messenger? No way. I'm running Teams on a computer orders of magnitute more powerful than what I had at the time of XP, and it STILL lags. I'm not a particularly fast typer, but it STILL can't keep up with me. This is, hands down, the worst piece of software I have to use today.
And I bet if it wasn't pushed "free" by MS to companies already using their stuff, no one would know about it.
But woe be unto the apple user who wants to interoperate with a non-apple thing.
If you continue to have trouble, drop me an email and I'll give you my configuration.
I very much second your sentiment about proton being "good enough". It's amazing! I have a less than stellar GPU -- a Radeon 570 -- and haven't found a single game that I can't play on 'ultra' settings at 1080p, including the in-development BG3.
After Apple's CSAM awfulness, my next laptop will be linux, ideally with a Zen processor, quite possibly running Manjaro and either KDE or i3.
But it's just too much hassle. I'd rather just boot up my big Windows gaming rig. I view it as a modular Xbox that I build myself.
So no matter how far we come in Linux, most people will still have a "Wintendo" PC console for gaming.
If you play older/smaller single player games though it generally does the job pretty darn well.
I personally just decided to give up on the online games instead.
I also wonder if Apple went to 11 because Microsoft got to 10.
Off the top of my head, I'd like to be able to drag or minimize a parent window when it has a modal dialog open. This is especially frustrating when using an application that uses nested modals and you need to reference the grandparent window to fill in some information on the current modal.
They should buy the code for the file search utility named "Everything" and build that into the OS.
Also, the Amiga had multi-character drive names and path mappings/assignments in 1985. It was nice to type DOCS: or GAMES: into a file dialog to go directly to where I organized those resources. Sure, I could do this with single-letter drives but that requires me to remember what each letter maps to.
Perhaps much better interface for multi desktop and other multitasking.
Windows is so behind, and every step they take in the right direction is an authoritative foot-gun.
Most of its problems are, at their heart, symptoms of Microsoft's proprietary closed-source design style.
Apple made huge strides in the right direction by basing OS X on BSD, then proceeded to make every step from then on in the wrong one. Walled gardens are pretty, not functional.
At least this one is actively used by most companies (at least outside of IT/devs firms) and they generally find it acceptable.
OneDrive on the other hand... Even when I was an IT consultant, I haven't met a single person who has tried it and didn't absolutely hate it. I have seen employees playing out of pocket for dropbox or gDrive even when OneDrive came for free with the MS Office subscriptions provided by their employer because of how frustrating it was to use and work mysteriously disappeared or got corrupted on a regular basis.
> At least this one is actively used by most companies (at least outside of IT/devs firms) and they generally find it acceptable.
Yes they find it acceptable in the way a slave prostitute finds the client acceptable. I have to use Teams because it is company policy. On my computer such a parody of a program has no place. Using it is an exercise in masochism.
I think the change that people haven't completely caught on with is a lot of digital tools becoming services. A bit like how enterprises used to own printers, and those are now rented appliances paid by month or by printed page.
1. An online service with a private API endpoint.
2. A client program that communicates over that API endpoint.
So this is more like having a car (client program) that the company owns parked in your driveway (your OS), and you can't drive on the company's private roads (the service API) without using that specific car, oh and the company is allowed to repave your driveway whenever they like.
I would much rather have my own car and my own driveway, thank-you-very-much.
Introducing Windows 12, the worlds most powerful post-modern computing experience.
i've also got a laptop right now, but i've gone years at a time without having a personal computer at home. it's perfectly doable.
Their laptops got visibly progressively slower. Considering what I read here, I asked them if they installed many software. They said they use the laptops for work only and haven't installed anything beyond office and antivirus. I asked them to take a look. After minutes after turning on, windows said it was installing updates... we waited... the battery went kapuft... we plugged the powerbrick, turned it on again and waited... windows said it was installing updates... after a new reboot and 40 minutes total of waiting I just gave up.
Now, this is not how an EXPENSIVE OS should behave. An expensive OS that behaves like this and still has ads is definitely something I'd only use if there was no other choice.
The most likely culprit for the slow-downs is OEM crap pushed on the device, not Windows itself.
In my personal experience (I'm running 6 Windows PCs in the house for the family and myself) I never had any issue with Windows 10 becoming slower or updates getting in the way or any ads for that matter (except when they switched to the new Edge where a notification of sorts showed up once after boot and was easily dismissed).
For full disclosure, I am running PiHole on my network so it's possible that's somehow blocking some ad-related activity (though I'm yet to see any evidence of actual advertisement being shown in the OS except for stuff about integrated software like Edge and now Teams - hoping this doesn't change with Windows 11). I'm also running fairly powerful machines (nothing older than 4 years, even the kids have beefier laptops), so don't have experience with old / slow machines.
It's funny because Windows went from "too unstable to be relied upon for anything" in the 9x era to "death by a thousand papercuts" today. It's like it's ruled by a law of conservation of awesome: for every feature there must be an equal and opposite misfeature.
Compared to Windows 8, yes. Compared to most anything else, no.
Edit: Seriously, they fixed 5000 flaming bugs in 2.2 release. God knows how many more are there.
Pros:
It's generally stable and in my experience works at least as well as windows 7.
DPI scaling is quite reliable and performant.
Vendor drivers are installed automagically by windows update's background process. It's a bit annoying that you can't disable or pause this process without killing it, so waiting for AMD's 300mb video driver to download over a slow connection is a bit confusing, but it's nice you can skip the usual install step and set a decent resolution without browsing to a webpage in 640x480 first. I would rather have an explicit user-controlled package manager, but this is a step in the right direction.
Cons:
They deprecated control panel in favor of the settings app, but the settings app is missing several important settings, so you still occasionally need to dig through control panel, which is a frustratingly fragmented experience.
"Fast boot" (a minimal hibernation mode) is enabled by default, which locks all of your ntfs partitions on shutdown, so you can't mount them read/write in Linux until you leave windows via reboot or disable fast boot.
The bootloader installs in the first EFI system partition it finds, even if it's on another disk and doesn't have room.
If you have a working internet connection during install, you are forced to create a system user that is linked to and named the same as your Microsoft account. Disconnecting from the network during that install phase gives you the option, though.
Exclusive fullscreen mode has been quietly replaced with an optimized windowed borderless mode. It's nice until you want to cut out that tiny extra latency, and then it's a nightmare. You used to be able to check "disable fullscreen optimizations" in properties for your binary, but that doesn't work anymore. You can add some registry entries for the binary, but that only works sometimes.
You can't shut down without installing updates anymore. Not even via the alt-f4 from the desktop modal like you could in 7.
You can delay updates for a limited period of time, and you can set "active hours" when updates won't be forced. Assuming everyone follows a fixed schedule and wants updates installed ASAP is frustratingly authoritative.
Updates try and fail to install when you don't have enough free storage. Is it that hard to just check first? It's this just a passive-aggressive way to remind users to free space? All I know is that it sucks.
There is a lot of bundled garbage, mostly links to app listings like candy crush on the Microsoft store. Just more clutter no one wants.
You can't opt out of all telemetry, which is a frustrating privacy violation.
The one that "helpfully" resets default applications and privacy settings to the ones Microsoft wants you to use, and then whines at you (or gives vague threats) when you do choose something else.
The one that turned logging in from pretty much an instant thing to a random wait while you get a "We're just setting things up for you" message on a pulsing background, and not-at-all-reassuring messages that "All your files are right where you left them".
It doesn't apply to anyone who's not eligible for that edition, isn't aware of it's existence, is just using the version that came with their device, or needs some specific feature in the 'Pro' variants (or whatever it's called now).
I remember having to bump up an edition from Home to get Bitlocker support for full-disk-encryption and something else.
e: While I've now migrated off Windows for a few years now, I still occasionally have to help family members who're wondering why X or Y no longer works, because MS decided to reset preferences.
You used to be able to "disable fullscreen optimizations" in properties to get real exclusive fullscreen mode, but now you have to edit a registry entry for that binary, and even that doesn't work most of the time.
I have this beautiful 144hz monitor for a reason: latency sucks.
The only way for you to get control over your computer is to run Linux, and today that's very easy.
...and let's not forget removing color from the active window's titlebar, so it was eye-searingly white like all the others, then reluctantly adding it back as an optional setting in an "update" later.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/how-to-resto...
When stuff like that seems to happen almost regularly, I really wonder who's running the show at MS. Destroying two decades of UI refinement takes active (and IMHO almost malicious) effort, not mere ignorance.
But I particularly like it when I open a new window, it appears on top of the old ones, it looks like it's accepting input (the cursor blinks) but when I type, nothing happens. I have to actually click inside it for it to actually gain actual focus.
I'm thinking in particular of new Edge windows.
Nice things are that it doesn't disable the ability of the remote end to see what's happening and that it requires active input from both ends to make the connection so the machine isn't open to a fully remote takeover.
Before calling someone the hard R word maybe first know about what you're talking about.
For user id claim, it's not only due to MS but all services. MS and others improving situation by supporting FIDO and password manager.
I'm also in the market (to replace my MacBook-esque XPS 13 Developer Edition), so if someone wants to suggest me a (other than ThinkPads) 13-14 inch laptop that will play well with Linux [not necessarily preloaded], let me know.
Plus, x86 and mainstream aarch64 hardware feels like it will always be ahead since it isn't a reverse engineered effort.
As far as I can tell you have to go through an Academic Licensing service, which would immediately tell me to go away since I'm not a school/university/whatever.
It's simply not available to most people.