Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP(lapcatsoftware.com) |
Did iOS 15 kill Google AMP(lapcatsoftware.com) |
This doesn't make any sense. If AMP is strictly beneficial for google, why would google give up because of a few people with AMP blocking extensions? Surely it's still worth going after the stragglers? You don't see them giving up on ads just because adblock is popular.
I suspect the reason is far more benign: AMP is enabled on a whitelist basis, and they haven't whitelisted ios 15 yet.
I don't get bothered by AMP pages that much, but I paid the few euros for Amplosion just to support Christian's work and give a middle finger to Google's attempts to take over the web.
- use iOS 15 (including betas)
- hate AMP
- still use Google for search
- went to the trouble of finding and installing such an extension
is probably a number that rounds to 0.0% of Google searches.
Not meant as a critique of the extension writer, just agree that this explanation seems highly implausible to me.
I don’t see how blockers installed by a small percentage of techies would have much impact.
It is pretty bad news for AMP that Ampolosion exists. It would be even worse if Samsung noticed that popularity and implemented something similar in their browser, perhaps even by default.
Maybe an odd thing to do but IMO no less odd than giving up on AMP in iOS 15 because of browser extensions, I can't believe the number of people using AMP-blocking extensions is that high yet.
by what metric? I think it being high on the app charts is more indicative of that category being deserted and therefore easy to be on top, than everybody and their mom downloading it. A few days ago I saw a post mentioning that Amplosion was #1 on the "utilities" chart. Now it's #27, and the top apps are 1) a proxy manager 2) calculator 3) dark mode extension for safari.
Things like this happened every new ios release. Going from 9->10 was a problem for example because regex used was limiting major version to single digit etc.
Maybe the majority of iOS 15 traffic coming from Apple servers instead of individuals is causing trouble with Google's current AMP implementation somehow, so they check the iOS 15 user agent and disable it?
IMO more likely Google just has a user agent whitelist or regex that misses iOS 15 and AMP was just showing up initially while Apple was sending an old user agent during the iOS 15 betas or something.
https://twitter.com/dannysullivan/status/1445799446139191298...
Does anyone have a decent link that explains exactly what AMP is to someone non technical? (Bonus if it explains why its bad, but I think I was able to at least get that part across)
I have been trying to explain multiple times but I am continuing to realize that there is certain terms that I just "know" and don't really know how to translate.
Since this is site is usually read by C-levels and some VC's, the language is less technical but somewhat editorialized.
Anyway AMP is bad because it proposes an Internet without the freedom to push dynamic content (JavaScript, webassembly, etc...), cached at "google servers" for fast delivery but with features specifically built so Google Analytics and others can keep working, it doesn't solve anything that a good css style wouldn't solve plus content creators lose control of their data.
"Google tried to push something that gives Google more control, Google used the control Google already had to strongarm websites to start using it or their search results would go farther down. "
Thank you for the link, will check it out and forward it.
Did not even need to think about it, I have wanted this since APM first started being rolled out.
I seriously don't see how people put up with the main app + non old.reddit.com site. It's just miserable and ad filled.
It is not just Google (and Microsoft and the other companies that implement AMP caches) that believes users want instant loading. Apple and Facebook have products competing with AMP that give users instant loading but that are far more restrictive on the publisher and on the reader. The only reason that publishers and readers put up with that is instant loading.
Also Apollo now has a Safari extension which will automatically redirect Reddit links to Apollo. Previously this was a manual process after the page already loaded after telling Reddit for the umpteen-billionth time you want Safari, not the official Reddit client.
(Apollo user with an interest in a distributed web platform)
Reddit's is the official client.
> Defacto: in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not
I think in this case the validity of the word "defacto" depends on your sample population. Apollo is very popular (and a fantastic reddit client, I wish there was an equivalent for HN) but I can't imagine it's marketshare is anywhere close to even 50%. Among tech enthusiasts I'll bet it ranks pretty high. Similar to an app like Overcast. If you poll HN or other tech communities I bet it's well represented but in the broader ecosystem it's a small fish.
God forbid they add a token limit
> Programs are also considered malware if they secretly act against the interests of the computer user.
There are two criteria that software must meet to fit this definition:
1. The software must act against the interests of the computer user.
2. This must be done "secretly".
I unfortunately do not know much about the Reddit App for iOS so I can't make a judgement as to whether it fits definition 2. I think I can say with confidence it fits definition 1.
Maybe I am wrong.
Edit: Something from the dredges of my memory just came back up and reminded me of something. The official Reddit client did start life as a 3rd party client: Alien Blue. [1]
So the real risk is Apollo becoming the next Alien Blue. Personally I would rather it stay independent.
[1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/16/reddit-buys-unoff...
I guess a non-malicious way of collecting the data for ad purposes could be to collect it locally and offer the user to review it before sending it off.
A community, or if you prefer, a community of communities. That part is essential.
Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and Reddit will skate by with inertia for years to come no matter how suicidally they behave because they have mass appeal. Losing one audience doesn’t matter because they have millions of other audiences. You start up a social network that interests mainly technical people and the journalists that report on them, well it’s just not going to thrive because after the honeymoon period is over, the network just starts to look stale and slowly die off. E.g. Google+.
1. Preserve the content and culture of these platforms for users and future historians (in the case of Reddit, Pushshift and the Internet Archive). UGC ("user generated content") belongs to users first and foremost.
2. Continue to find opportunities to reduce the moats of incumbents and the friction of standing up alternatives. If a site disappears, there should be little impact to anyone other than employees and shareholders.
3. Be ready to jump in and scale up when incumbents misstep (Signal and Telegram seeing huge membership jumps during Facebook's extended outage earlier this week, Digg's redesign helping Reddit's growth, etc).