Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis(teenage.engineering) |
Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis(teenage.engineering) |
So a bit over 10 liters. About the size of some gaming computers MSI used to sell (Nightblade, I think), for around 1k fully loaded with RAM, HD+SSD, Intel CPU, and Nvidia graphics. Plus led light bars, etc.
200 for an industrial looking orange case seems a bit of a fashion statement.
Also, given I have dimensions and diagrams, how is called the type of service which builds it "from source"?
Any major city will have someone who can do this, though their website and pricing will probably be worse. Searching "laser cutting" in google maps gives eight different places in the Seattle metro area.
Do they focus on audio gear (synths, speakers, ect..) clothes, computer cases?? Product lines seem all over the place.
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so I think the answer is...nope :(
now the next question is: what GPU can I fit that's dual and 180mm?
Mine stays cooler than my tower, somehow. Was not easy to build, but damn it is sexy.
Their modular synths are particularly terrible, and have so much structural give when you just put your hands on it. Reminds me of an erector set
With all those gaps you'll need to push fans harder to get the same cooling and keep dust out.
It looks amazing!
I can buy a pretty nice mini-itx cube shaped case on newegg for 80.
The days of needing a tower are over for most people. I'm all about space-saving while still having a full-power PC.
It's a niche, boutique market but there are some really interesting cases. My personal favourite is the Louqe Ghost S1 [1]. I've built one PC with this (the Mk II). I bought a Mk III case but couldn't source a GPU so ended up just buying a CyberpowerPC prebuilt (which is actually a pretty nice PC, to be fair).
They're not cheap and they're kind of annoying to buy. Louqe in particular has had huge distribution problems in the US (through Amazon's logistics service).
Another popular one is the Dan A4 [2]. It's smaller. I personally prefer the Ghost for having better airflow, being more modular and being able to expand the case with "top hats". This allows you to add a 240mm AIO and bottom fans for some pretty darn good cooling and airflow.
Anyway, I'm always excited to see entrants in this market.
This Teenage Engineering chassis is neat and has a cool aesthetic, but it's definitely a form-over-function design. Great if you're going for a certain vibe, but not ideal for a high power build, or even a quiet mid-range build.
Those tiny fans and limited ventilation holes are not going to cut it for anything but a very low-power build. I'd be looking at the lowest power CPUs and GPUs available for this case. I'm not even sure why they limited it to such small (read: loud) fans when they seem to have the space for larger fans.
Optimum Tech's YouTube channel has some great mini-ITX case reviews for anyone new to this space: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv8HwYhBwOOpUFPiBs6QG...
https://github.com/phkahler/mellori_ITX
The one and only fan is the CPU fan, which is also used to blow air through the case and out holes in the bottom. I look forward to the next iteration, but my current system does everything I need without missing a beat.
But then I'm biased in this area...
The biggest thing that I wish were more accessible within the mini-ITX form factor is 10Gbps ethernet. Maybe with thunderbolt it could now exist as an external dongle, with the right motherboard, but internally there's few options today. Very few mini-ITX boards offer anything faster than 1Gbps, and of course have no additional PCI-E slots (despite the chipset bandwidth being more than ample).
I believe Intel's enthusiast Alder Lake chipset (x690 IIRC) specifies 2.5Gbps ethernet as minimum spec, which is nice; but it ain't 10Gbps. This is something that Mac just plain-out does better, no argument; the Mac Mini has had 10Gbps ethernet as an option for years.
HoneyComb is a feature-rich Mini ITX platform [...] based on NXP’s [...] 16 core LX2160A Arm Cortex A72 (2GHz) offering up to 64GB DDR4 (dual channel) and up to 40GbE.
https://www.solid-run.com/arm-servers-networking-platforms/h...
I'm more familiar with the AMD boards, but several of the B550 ITX motherboards have 2.5gbe. At least the MSI, Gigabyte, and ASUS boards have it. I think it's rarer for ITX boards with the x570 chipset, which is a bit older.
But last time I upgraded my computer I switched to micro ATX and I'm happier with that size. Any maintenance or upgrades are a breeze with room to get your fingers around the components, I didn't need to buy a special low profile CPU cooler, it's small enough, and if I need an extra PCIe slot for something I've got it.
The new computer is mounted it to under my desk where it's out of the way. Unless you're carrying your desktop around to LAN parties I think this is an overall nicer solution to "desktops take up space" than tiny form factor cases.
A uatx case without such wasted space would be totally great. Atx power supply, decent mobo ports, good ventilation, et cetera.
[1]: https://www.coolermaster.com/sg/en-sg/catalog/cases/mini-itx...
The mention literally crashing the machine on the original design when the case broke, hopefully means this one is quite sturdy.
Gaming SFF PCs are my jam and here the Louqe Ghost S1 holds up extremely well:
1. It takes almost all double-slot cards. Getting something a little shorter can help in terms of getting the card in and out and for cable management but there's really no need to shop for a specific shorter model. The more than two slot cards (eg RTX 3090, RX6900XT) won't fit but say a 3080 (assuming you can even get one) will be just fine;
2. My personal preference for PSU is something like the Corsair SF750. It's a 750W highly-rated SFX form factor PSU. It works well, can power a 3080 system and seems to be relatively quiet;
3. The Ghost with a top hat can then mount something like an NZXT Kraken X530 AIO to cool your PC. This is going to cut down a lot of your noise; and
4. With a separate top hat on the bottom of the case you mount two quality Noctua 120mm fans in exhaust (meaning it pulls air from the case).
The net effect of all this is that air is drawn in from the sides and expelled out from the top and bottom. It is also a negative pressure set up, meaning there is more force for exhaust than intake.
Positive pressure would be nice for keeping dust out of your case but negative pressure here is better for airflow and thus noise (by operating at lower RPM).
The above will have almost full case power and airflow and be relatively quiet. It won't be as good as you can get with a full or mid tower case but it's pretty darn close.
Not really any more. Most popular mini-ITX cases for enthusiasts support 240mm AIOs for CPU cooling. Noctua even has low-profile air coolers that fit in some mini-ITX cases and rival their biggest heatsinks in performance.
The SFX PSUs are slightly more expensive, but the good ones are so efficient that the fans won't even turn on during normal (non-gaming) use.
Modern SFF builds can be extremely quiet.
PCIe 4.0 x16 (16 lanes) has a bandwidth of 32GB/s, which is 256Gbps.
So external GPUs are always going to be inferior. Also, an external case incurs a lot of extra unavoidable costs. Essentially you have a mini-PC case, a TB to PCI-e bridge, a PCI-e interface and mount and possibly cooling as well.
It's a nice idea and has some applications but on-chip GPUs as part of a fully-integrated SoC just makes way more sense for almost everybody.
I built it with a 1080ti etc and it's had no cooling problems apart from the 2 m.2 ssds getting a little toasty (alleviated by adding a fan under where the psu sits; I cool using a 240mm radiator in the top so the motherboard wasn't getting much airflow from that).
Size comparison motherboards for reference: https://www.gamersglobal.de/sites/gamersglobal.de/files/user...
Personally I use a midi tower at home.
Have you seen the air-cooler on a threadripper ?! :-)
I don't really disagree with you but I like my old tower box because it has lots of room and easy to work on, and I realize that was why I liked my old car because engine compartment had lots of room to work.
This doesn't really fit any decent GPU at 180 mm. I think the single-fan ASUS RTX 3060 Phoenix is 177 mm and would just fit, but I'd be a bit worried about the cooling at that point.
If you want a powerful space saving device, get a powerful laptop. If you want power, cooling, adaptability and room you get a tower.
This mini desktop form factor is the worst of both worlds.
There are laptops with 16 threads, a 3080, 2x nvme and 2x ram slots and weigh 5lbs that run at 70C at full throttle, 40C idling - oh and integrated 3 hour UPS.
A tower otoh can fit 8+ disks, 2 or 3 gpus, plenty of quiet cooling and most importantly doesn't make you cuss every time you add/change a component because there is lots of room to get your hands in there.
You want a portable tower? Get one with handles on it. How often do you really move it anyway.
I have an Antec something-500 from 15 years ago and a Caselabs ITX case that is larger (for custom cooling, etc - I never did use the space) and in 2018 transplanted the guts into a SFF from Sliger and I could fit four of my new case into the Caselabs case - and they are commanding quite the premium in the afterlife.
Height and Width are less than my MacBook Pro (deeper of course but still only 13.5cm)
I don't compromise on much, sure there's only a single PCIe slot but it's got a full size GPU in it (rx5700 reference design), a 650W Gold modular (SFX) power supply. RAM is 16G (lots for my use case - the MB is 2015, not sure it supports more - but with 64G sticks I don't think two slots is much of a limit), a M2 PCIe drive and a separate 2.5" SSD, two Noctua 120mm case fans and a decent after market CPU cooler. It's quiet and it runs cool.
Lastly on price. A good quality power supply is going to run you 150-200 and most decent cases are in the 150-200 range without a power supply anyways. These are small run manufacturers too so that makes them pricy too, but they'll last 5-10 years (eg a couple of MB upgrades) so worth the investment to some.
They are a pain in the ass to build in though :). (The Ghost looks a bit easier but wasn't really available at the time)
Recently bought a zotac magnus (pre-built). It was a little pricey because it came with a 3070 but easily expandable. it takes 2 x m.2 ssd, 1 x 2.5" sata hd, 2 x laptop ram.
Finding a GPU to fit a SFF case this year was a whole other issue, but I too am glad to see some more companies get into this space. I want some nicer ITX options, I want to see the variety that ATX and "larger" cases see.
But yeah I sympathize with the issues in sourcing the Ghost. My first one took like 8 months to get.
[1] https://www.newegg.com/black-ssupd-meshlicious-mini-itx/p/2A...
The Teenage Engineering case looks great as a non-gaming, everyday-use build, if a larger GPU isn't needed.
[1]: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-itx/masterbo...
Also y'all gotta stop hating on this price it's actually very reasonable in the sff pc case market.
Fools and their money...
Buy power-efficient components and load it with the thickest and biggest Noctua PWM fans possible, and set the fan curves low, and its basically totally silent.
In horizontal mode you have a choice of obstructing the CPU or the GPU vent. It comes with feet, but they're not very tall.
Tangent—Coming out of hours of fantastical sci fi VR escapism into a nondescript hotel room in <industrial center, USA> is a very surreal and memorable feeling.
Dear Teenage Engineering,
Please make a modern FLAC (MP3, M4A, ...) player with your signature style and OLED screen. Running Linux with USB keyboard capabilities for bonus points. No wireless whatsoever, with songs transferred over USB mass storage protocol, much like the OP-1.
(0) Seamless playback, shuffle, volume (normalization option?), balance, EQ, ... (1) Song listings (why do so many music apps completely fail to simply list all my songs?!) (2) Album, artist, etc grouping and sorting (3) Search (4) Album art (5) ...
- 64GB minimum
- ~100x50x10mm
- IO:
- 3.5mm 3 channel (left/right/mic)
- Play/pause, left, right, up, down, in/out, power switch
- ~2" screen, backlit OLED
- USB-C
- Dedicated power?I am constantly searching for good itx cases but at this point given the prices I see I’d rather buy an Ender3 and print one myself.
the PDF manual explicitly warns to bend only once. i expect repeating or reversing would cause striations/stretch marks at the seam, which would be actual openings in the metal exposing the raw aluminum underneath, not an adhesion failure of the powder coat.
However, I'm leaning more towards a horizontal chassi (think like a piece of stereo equipment or something). I think it could be pretty nice to have it lying on a shelf / on top of a AV rack, and then run a Thunderbolt cable to a small desk nearby.
I found the F12C from Streacom [0] which matches my aesthetic bend perfectly (it is available without the hideous optical media slot). But it's a tad to thick.. Thinner by mounting the graphics card rotated with a raiser would be awesome. Any tips greatly appreciated!
But the Node 202 would be the much cheaper option.
For example https://www.thermaltake.com/core-g3.html or https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?area=en&pid=488
- made by an evil society-destroying corporation
- sold out forever
But of course I’m gonna complain about the price again. Even though this looks pretty innovative (I haven’t seen an “assemble yourself” construction like this before) and this looks something potentially leading to a huge price reduction (I’m gonna guess production cost is somewhere around the 10-25€ mark), it’s still … 200€??? Egh.
I guess they’re selling the brand.
But that’s also weird, because I would figure that people who care about the brand tend to not build their own computers (is this assumption wrong?), instead usually opting for the fruit brand.
Mini-ITX computers are a niche among a niche market of PC builders. Form factor is inherently a consideration being made when you build one, given the added difficulty and compromises one must make to build one. In that sense, it's pretty obvious that people building such computers would care about the aesthetics of the case they're building in. This also isn't terribly expensive in the world of boutique mini itx cases, where one can easily spend double that on some of the more exclusive ones.
That said performance and noise was a concern for me and I've overall ended up satisfied, you may be pleasantly surprised if you do your research. IMO the only actual thing that makes noise on any modern rig is the GPU (and I don't put spinning rust in anything except the server in the other room.) Everything else can be effectively silent even at the highest grade, and low-end GPUs can be tweaked to be nearly-silent as well if you aren't a gamer. Mine has 10TB of storage (2TB NVMe/8TB SSD), 64GB of RAM, a Zen 3 5600X, and a triple-blower RTX 3080, and I'm using it as my 4k gaming rig with a 144hz monitor rather successfully. I understand there are a lot of cases you might need even more oomph, though; I literally can't extract any more perf until Zen 4, I guess.
Genuinely curious, if someone gets one, that has access to the proper test gear, could you look for RF spurs emitted from that chassis?
Some combos of circuit boards, in the wrong enclosures crush WiFi (and cellular). If you ever have persistent WiFi issues in your house, isolate your network gear (modem/router/AP) to a single circuit breaker, and just start killing circuits in the house until your problem goes away.
Then start turning things on until the problem returns.
In other words their products are like business cards sold to a niche category of people who like products that look like a collaboration between Dieter Rams and Simone Giertz.
Laser/water jet cutting metal and powder coating it is so common that you can submit such an order online and have it in a day.
What I am trying to say is that the cost because of small quantities does not apply here. This is just the cost of the brand.
mATX cases can also be quite small (e.g. Fractal Node Define 7) but you get 2 more RAM slots, can use ATX PSU, and can get bigger coolers so not have to resort to price AIO.
https://teenage.engineering/products/po
They're lots of fun. (I have the rythmn and robot ones). Its weird you could do this on a cell phone now, but the separate device kinda works well.
of course the optional case is about half the cost of the device.. but I never bought one and haven't had a problem.. and runs on regular aaa batteries!
Not to be too mean about it (I do own an op-z) but there's a subset of synthheads who will buy whatever they put out.
The price is about double what i expect anyone else to sell it for so that is about on par with most of their stuff.
The most interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to give you a reason to want to buy it over some other mitx case. Its just "we made a small computer case it's small!". They're marketing to their own fans with this.
I think their just showcasing their proof of concept.
Without the benefit of seeing it in the flesh, I fear either I would struggle to get accurate bends (which would annoy me for the rest of it's life) or the case has been made flimsy so it bends easily.
Beautiful web site and digging the orange though.
And behold their 600€ radio:
https://teenage.engineering/products/ob-4
Yes, I said a radio.
While the OP-1 is a unique musical instrument (sold a $700 10 years ago, now $1200 new, god only knows why...), these designers will make you pay a premium for most of their products, aside from the low quality pocket operators.
Compared to other high end design speakers such as B&O / BeoSound it’s not particularly pricey, if at all.
I’ll never understand the complaining about case prices, it’s big enough to be a piece of furniture in your house, why wouldn’t you pay more for something that looks and feels premium or has a design you like.
They openly admitted that the reason why their prices are so eye-wateringly high — at least with another product of theirs, the OP-1 synth emulator — is because they can’t produce in high enough supply, and they got fed up with seeing scalpers / touts buying up all their stock and selling it on at twice the price.
But on the other, usually you get excellent sound absorption, clever mounting solutions etc. At first glance this is an objectively bad case by the usual measures of high-end mini ITX cases.
This is another functional display piece for a designer's desk, just like the Playdate.
It's overpriced, but in a similar way to how a clay brick with Supreme stamped on it goes for hundreds of dollars.
Personally I thought it was cool and if I were in the market to build a PC I’d consider it.
The number of PC components that look nice, not the designed for gamers RGB aesthetic is miniscule, so they're definitely going to do alright with sales of this.
Which I guess is the point.
Zero appeal for me, but I'm clearly not the target audience.
But I'm not doing any overclocking and my GPU is solidly midrange, for a hotter computer you might want better ventilation.
https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/301/
Only small nuisance is I can't open it up while it's in the desk mount, so I have to unplug all the cables and remove it. Don't do that often enough to complain about it, might be able to fix it by dremelign off a chunk of the mount if I were concerned.
Glass panel is not really by bag, but under the desk I don't care about it. Solid side option is available but I wouldn't pay extra for it.
I don't care a lot about space either since it's under my desk. But I think it would be easy to create a smaller uatx case by dropping fans/3.5" bays/other things that a miniitx drops.
EDIT: Something like this could be good for me: https://www.itekevo.com/en/product/case-smallcom-g/
mm 171x308x360 , this is probably close to the smallest size that could be achieved with a uatx without blocking slots.
My read is that there's a lot more competition now. The M1 just isn't as competitive with (for example) the NR200 being so similar, 1/2 the price, and produced by a major manufacturer/system integrator.
It's not the SFF case that I'm using now, but it's the one I used the longest and was certainly the most versatile. If I hadn't decided to build my first custom loop in the Meshlicious, I'd still be using my M1 today.
They decided to make the OP-Z out of plastic and it didn't hold up well. It's the fault of their poor design, or at least the type of plastic they decided to use, not the materials.
For something like a PC case, there's already a LOT of options in aesthetics, so asking for nearly $200 for a case (that, as pointed out, you have to assemble yourself!) is a bit much to swallow. $200 gets you basically the highest end case in ANY look that you want. Perhaps not this 'unique', but you have a plethora of options.
You can of course make an extremely quiet SFF build, just not with an upper-midrange CPU and a highend GPU. With the same components you can make a decently quiet mid-tower desktop, like I have.
("Extremely quiet", "virtually noiseless" and so on are pet-peeve phrases of mine - I'm always assuming that marketing people are half-deaf because they keep referring to stuff emitting 20 dBa or more like this.)
However, the modern SFF experience is much better than you give it credit for. An AMD 5950X with a 240mm AIO in a mini-ITX case is easy these days and it keeps the CPU temperature in a reasonable range.
But if your goal is a no-compromise quietest build possible, obviously you don't want to get a small case.
> plus it's rather expensive (more than 10x the cost of air cooling).
I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers, but modern AIO water cooling isn't that expensive.
You can get a good 240mm AIO cooler for about 1.5X the price of a good air cooler: https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Radiator-Software-Control-Liq...
I could have been more clear here, I meant a custom-loop, not an AIO since they're a sidegrade to a top-end air-cooler at best.
> However, the modern SFF experience is much better than you give it credit for. An AMD 5950X with a 240mm AIO in a mini-ITX case is easy these days and it keeps the CPU temperature in a reasonable range.
I don't see the contradiction - you can have a quiet SSF build, and you can have pretty powerful SFF builds (enthusiast GPUs might be a problem), but you can't really have both at the same time... at least not under load.
To expand the RAM you will have to buy new sticks first and then try to sell old ones, with the discount, of course. My ATX board supports 4 sticks, so I could start with just one 16Gb (with bandwidth penalty, but still) and pump it up to 64Gb without any reselling hussle. I am also a happy owner of ASRock B350 motherboard so it is 6 years from Zen 1 to Zen 3 all the way for me.
I don't even want to start bragging about switching from air to water cooling for silence sake, I don't think it is even possible with mini ITX form factor.
So, once again, for me the main perk of desktop PC is upgradability, and mini ITX seriously impairs that.
I put 16G in my machine in '15 and rarely exceed 3-4G daily use even today (and for a long time 1-2G daily - I recently switched to Budgie desktop so it's jumped a bit). At this point I'd just buy new ram and the two sticks I have go into the surplus pile but my motherboard (depend on source) only supports 16 (it's oldish also from 2015)
There are water cooling for SFF cases (mine can take a 120MM radiator for instance - the ghost mentioned upthread can take up to a full 360 with the tophat) but I put a Noctua CPU cooler in and changed out the fan on it. Stays nice and cool. My Caselabs itx case could do up to 3 360MM Radiators but was not SFF (by a large amount!).
On the upgrade path, it's so long between that I usually just build a new machine, 6+ years so far on my current desktop and good enough until I find it not. By then, DDR5. PCIE 4.x, etc, etc
I am not trying to convince you to get one, just show that there's a market for SFF... just like there's one for latops, rackmounts, NUCS, stickpcs, Pis and yes even EATX Threadripper monsters in cases on casters ;)
I averaged one or two a year through the 2010s, but my last one was in early 2020 for obvious reasons.
While most games can be played over the internet these days and voice/video chat is now accessible enough that the experience can be pretty close, in the end there's still nothing like being in the same room as your friends when you're either cooperating to take down a raid boss or taunting them after a headshot.
https://www.pcgamer.com/halo-infinite-will-let-you-use-your-...
And maybe more importantly, LAN multiplayer actually exists in case of ISP problems, server outage, or trying to play the game in 20 years when the official servers are long gone.
It is nice that Microsoft finally acknowledged a few years ago that their consoles are Windows devices that have USB ports and stopped disabling keyboard/mouse support. The idea that console users were banned from better FPS input for years was just nonsensical.
Now if only we could get them to mandate keyboard/mouse support instead of making it optional. There's no good reason to force console players to not be able to aim properly.
Not every product is for every consumer. This case is already sold out, so apparently somebody wants it.
Just comparing it to some other popular Mini-ITX cases, 23 liters for the Evolv Shift Air 2 is nearly twice the volume of the NZXT H1 (13 liters), and far in excess of the Dan 4 (7 liters) or the Velka 5 (5 liters). Especially the latter two cases are extremely challenging to build in, and at 8.5 liters the "computer-1" is arguably most comparable to that segment despite its GPU length limitations. It's not a put-whatever-you-want-in-it case, and that makes it a niche offering.
I'm not going to argue that there's no TE tax attached here, especially since (unlike similar cases) it doesn't include a PCIe riser or other electronic components, but it's not way out of range for its market segment.
I feel like this is supposed to be a well-laid trap of a question, but c'mon... technically Amiibo are for unlocking in-game extras, what's my experience with those for them to end up relegated to a designer's desk?
> This is another functional display piece for a designer's desk, just like the Playdate.
Then you'd better have something to back it up. And unless you're one of the few people who've actually used a Playdate (who actually had largely positive impressions IIRC) then what basis in fact, or even in subjective experience does your comment actually have?
Seems to me the answer is none. And that's worth calling out.
The fact the creators of it are letting you put it on double duty as a pen holder isn't something?
Are you joking?
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The problem is you're getting upset someone dared to imply this amazing device is going to end up unused...
As if Teenage Engineering of all companies didn't realize a lot of people will treat these like an interactive desk ornament. So they made it look striking. And maybe thought of a cool way to display it.
Maybe like, a stand. With a pen holder.
As if something that's intentionally niche in functionality and divergent in design is never released in limited quantity to double as a statement piece... (Not a chance: https://www.kanyewest.com/)
I know HN users do enjoy purposefully acting like they lack basic context on things they're braying about so they can turn around and go "Cite your sources! How dare you assume I know what I'm talking about!"... but how like how does anyone with any idea what Teenage Engineering is as a company and un-ironically think:
"What blasphemy! To imply their items are aesthetically pleasing enough to become ornaments rather than be heavily used!"
I managed get one cheap-ish from the Kickstarter, and while it's got some flaws (and was a total bastard to build in -- it's a very small space to do a custom loop), it's everything promised on the tin; small, quiet, powerful (5600X and a 6800XT -- even when gaming the fans don't ramp above 40%, though admittedly that may change in summer).
Custom loop and an AIO of the same size are going to perform the same. I don't understand why you're suggesting that water cooling costs "10X" as much as air cooling when that's clearly not true.
An AIO and a custom loop with the same size radiator will perform the same. I've done custom loops and I've done AIOs. There's nothing special about a custom loop other than you get to mix and match different components.
Also, the top-end air coolers like Noctua perform almost as well as liquid cooling these days.
> I don't see the contradiction - you can have a quiet SSF build, and you can have pretty powerful SFF builds (enthusiast GPUs might be a problem), but you can't really have both at the same time... at least not under load.
I'm telling you - I have a 5950X and a 240mm AIO in a SFF and it's quiet. I could move the same CPU and the same AIO to a big case with sound dampening and it might be marginally quieter, but not by a huge amount. The only real difference is when I'm running the GPU at full tilt during gaming, but it's undervolted and I can't hear it over the game anyway so I really don't care.
I don't understand why you claim something is not true, then say the same thing with different words.
> But on the other, usually you get excellent sound absorption, clever mounting solutions etc. At first glance this is an objectively bad case by the usual measures of high-end mini ITX cases.
Directly followed by a direct comparison to the Playdate (emphasis mine):
> This is another functional display piece for a designer's desk, just like the Playdate.
Can really only be interpreted one way.
If you were concerned with useful opinions you would have sat quietly until you got this through your head before blabbing:
*The Playdate's practical merits as a video game console have zero bearing on its suitability as a desk ornament.*
It's a wonderful designer desk ornament, flashy, you can pick it up and use it as a console when you're board, limited availability, people who know what it is will immediately recognize it and see you as part of the in-crowd, great conversation piece for people who don't know what it is.
Like are you just this out of touch with the world of limited availability merch? If I say that the Balenciaga Triple S is just a way to flaunt, are you going to complain that I didn't go based on the practical merits as a sneaker?
This entire conversation arises from you wrongly assuming that calling it an ornament was an evaluation of its merit as a console, then refusing to back down on your wrong assumption.
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And I mean, if you really want to go there...
All reviews of it are based on the promise of what it could be since the entire season of games promises doesn't exist yet...
The SDK isn't out yet... except if you got cosy with the right people in the Discord server. That sounds a lot like Nintendo? Sony? Microsoft? For a device that won't have .001% of titles they end up with? the So much for a device focused on open development lol...
Hilariously the ... Playdate... doesn't work for play-dates. Despite Bluetooth and WiFi Panic have confirmed the SDK does not support networking APIs (I can already hear the gears whirring in your head though "I don't like multiplayer so no one else can!")
No backlighting despite the fact the display tech used would have supported edge lighting without sacrificing daylight performance, and even backlighting if planned for (Sharp produces transreflective versions of the LCD in question with no reduction in daylight performance)
Games base can only be accessed on a schedule specific to your device, which is a lovely thing to do to people ordering. If you got yours first, you get more games than people who get there's later. No way this is supposed to add to the exclusivity of the early adopters though :)
Do you need me to go on? It's very easy to tear down its "merit as a console" when all that "merit" is based on potential and next to nothing in established execution that the reviewers could access lol.
The thing literally damages it's own merit as a console intentionally by limiting input and output in a bid to chase this existence as a nostalgia-fueled simulacrum of by gone consoles lol.
So you may refer back to my original comment in this subthread for a succinct explanation of why your opinion, upon which you have expounded rather incoherently and at some length, is utterly worthless: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29032691
I'm sure you'll reply to this comment, but I doubt whatever you write will be worth any more keystrokes on my part. I think this ties it up rather nicely, anyway.
Something a toddler can do, say select between two cupcakes without eating them, you're incapable of?
Your keystrokes haven't been worth much so far, but I do welcome silence from people who not only lack the faculties to make basic observations, but attempt to find fault in others for doing so...
Of course, you'll reply to this and explain why such a basic shortcoming is actually a good thing! At least that would be par for the course...