Why lifeless AI is not intelligent

Why lifeless AI is not intelligent(bdtechtalks.com)

22 points by HasanYousef 4 years ago | 16 comments

canjobear 4 years ago |

> The AI community usually turns to the brain to get inspiration for algorithms and new directions of research.

??? This isn’t true. The author doesn’t seem to have an understanding of modern AI.

bendee983 4 years ago | |

Where does the inspiration for ANN/CNN/RNN come from?

canjobear 4 years ago | | |

Neural networks originated from coarse-grained analogies to a 1940s understanding of neurons. That’s about where the neuroscience connection ended. People have tried to make connections since then, but it’s almost always post-hoc.

robbedpeter 4 years ago | | |

Hierarchical modeling. Spiking neural nets. Fire together, wire together. Convolution. Boltzmann nets. Autoencoding. LSTM gating. Attention, transformers, gans, etc.

GOFAI might not pull inspiration from the brain, but connectionist style AI, which represents the vast majority of ai being produced and operated, almost exclusively uses brains for inspiration.

hmry 4 years ago |

Sure, if you define "intelligence" as "solving problems in a variety of environments to accomplish your own goals and self-replicate", then no, modern AI is not intelligent. You have just redefined intelligence so that only living beings can be intelligent.

Jensson 4 years ago | |

A computer virus that evolves and spreads and is too elusive for humans to eliminate would fit that scenario. I think the point is that as long as humans defines what the AI should do it will never be intelligent, it will only become intelligent when we lose control of it.

I think that was his point, not sure I agree with it but at least it isn't trivially wrong.

rowanG077 4 years ago | | |

Isn't that just moving the goalpost to a higher level of abstraction? You could envision an AI were the only instruction is spread yourself. In that quest it could create a vastly more impressive society of AI agents with their own culture.

Humans have instructions too, which are rooted in evolution and biology. It's not at all clear to me how an AI that follows an instruction must, per definition, be considered unintelligent. That would imply Humans are unintelligent.

soco 4 years ago | | |

Well even natural viruses are not considered technically "living", so there's a lot of confusion between what current science calls a thing and what the common understanding of that thing is.

pilooch 4 years ago |

My take on intelligence over the past 20y has been it is high quality / efficient search of immense state spaces.

"Solving intelligence" as a famous corporation motto, might just be improving state-space search.

Humans are incredible at state space search, it's obvious as soon as you consider the potential data pointsnof any problem we face every day, from washing dishes to designing algorithms.

Retric 4 years ago | |

You can abstract basically anything to state space search + optimization. It’s essentially too wide a classification to be that useful.

twofornone 4 years ago | | |

But that's literally what ML training does. Just like a human, neural nets learn heuristics to take advantage of the fact that of all the possible mappings of inputs to outputs, there are actually vanishingly few output states that are valid. Arguably all learning is indeed a reduction of state space, be it by human or machine.

sgt101 4 years ago |

Junk - not worth reading

smitty1e 4 years ago |

I am stuck by a comparison between AI's limitations as captured in the article and the theoligical concept of angels.

Such a qualitative comparison may offend some HN, but it's a useful means to communicate the idea of heavy "brainpower" that has constraints.

xenocyon 4 years ago |

Is this simply an argument in favor of genetic algorithms or is there more to it than that?