Google Creates Blockchain Unit, Hires New ‘Founding Leader’(blockworks.co) |
Google Creates Blockchain Unit, Hires New ‘Founding Leader’(blockworks.co) |
[1] https://www.singlelunch.com/2022/01/09/an-anatomy-of-bitcoin... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29966533
Rumors like this seem to come in droves whenever Bitcoin prices tumble.
I can believe that Google hired a distributed technologies lead somewhere. Spinning it as blockchain/crypto seems to be the work of journalists trying to make it sound more interesting to the average viewer (more clicks)
Any evidence you can point us to?
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/technology/silicon-valley...
It doesn’t make sense that Google would keep people around, pay them a lot of money, have them produce useless projects without the same asymmetric upside potential, all to keep them from going to companies that weren’t even competitors in the first place.
Google is Web 2.0 "get off my lawn" Mecca, they ignored this space until Meta.
People go there because they just caught on to the compensation packages and are going to catch on to Web3 compensation packages just as late. They already work on overly complicated stacks for useless cogs on useless products that Google shuts down randomly.
Have you seen what "backend" competency entails these days? Its absurd!
It might. This keeps these people out of the job market.
* Amazon
* Microsoft
* ???
* Apple
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Some mid level exec was like "why aren't we blockchain, customers are asking about out this blockchain thing" and here we are. You need to wait for the product announcements and then wait to see if those products drive 100M+ revenue before knowing if they have any kind of staying power.
People get side tracked by all the crypto eutopians and bullshitters out there and the emotional roller coaster that is the valuation of Bitcoin, which from a technical point of view was an interesting proof of concept (it works, and it seems really resilient against people trying to hack it). But it is also deeply flawed from a technical point of view. It doesn't scale very well. It's expensive to run (by design even). And it requires an amount of electricity energy that would be enough to run a few small countries. That makes using it for it's originally intended purpose, a non starter. Paying for stuff with Bitcoin is so ludicrously expensive and slow that doing so just stopped being a thing. Basically, paying for a cup of coffee with bitcoin would cost more than enough to pay for a nice coffee machine. That also makes it useless for banking. Transferring money is not cheap but cheaper than that.
But not bad for a V1 and it's kind of old news since there are lots of solutions to these challenges. A decentralized database that is tamper proof, scales, and runs efficiently would be just the kind of product people might want to use for all sorts of things. Which is why there are some serious companies looking at this stuff with increasing interest. The likes of IBM, SAP, etc. can hardly be accused of running pyramid schemes. It's not what drives them. But making money is. And when banks and other serious business are finding uses for current block chains, they smell money.
So Google getting involved with this stuff is probably not the worst idea they've had recently. Amazon provides managed blockchains as well in AWS. So does Microsoft. Technically, Google is a bit late to the party.
No, their game is selling boatloads of senior consultancy hours. They hardly seem invested in blockchains themselves.
This is absolutely fantastic! Google is a $2.6 trillion company with more than 5 servers, which is the number of servers needed to support every user on Earth doing transactions all the time (7 billion users * 1 transaction = 7 billion transactions = 1 server, call it 5.) I really think they will be able to host a 60 gigabyte file and support 7 transactions per second without using the electricity of a small country - which is the status quo in blockhain.
I really hope they succeed. It's literally just integers in a database (if you count by the penny). I've hoped Google would do something like this for a long time, and a close second option would be for someone else to do the same thing simply riding on top of their shared spreadsheet infrastructure, like, oh hey by the way since this spreadsheet view easily scales to a billion users do you mind if we use it to save the planet?
As an added benefit I do believe the FBI or SEC could get some visibility on there so that their version doesn't end up a cesspool of fraud.
Go, Google! This is what you were born to do![1] I'm excited to see what they do with this.
[1] https://abc.xyz/investor/founders-letters/2004-ipo-letter/ : "Google is not a conventional company. We do not intend to become one. "
Google is on its 3rd payments iteration now, and the division had a large leadership exodus when the 2nd iteration of Google Pay flopped[1]. How much institutional knowledge have they retained?
1. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-pay-hopes-to-...
Why is Google betting on such a loser tech with no real future?
> Google tries to sunset Blockchain Unit, but can’t
HN (2024): Google cancels Blockchain services
What value can they possibly add?I can't think of any blockchain (apart from government blockchains) that I'd avoid as much as Google's.
Maybe something to squash, say, DocuSign? Not that you need a blockchain to do that, but I can see a Google or Apple DocuSign product growing fast because they own the mobile OSes.
I think at best we'll see the space shrink back to reflect the value it brings to the market.
Personally my bet is that it brings negative value for most of the use-cases it's being sold for and that the contraction will be large but... completely gone? I doubt it.
"Let a thousand flowers bloom" failed, but at least we had a grasp of what's going on. It was a bet on the, now known to be false idea that the web economy would have horizontal breadth. Turned out that (a) ads had a lot of death and (b) Google didn't manage to create any alternative revenue streams worth noting.
Now they all seem to be eyeing off anything that looks like it has $trn potential. That's a pretty finite pool.
Crypto is wild and chaotic. If a handful of big companies take it over, it'll be more orderly and ostensibly accountable. Traditional finance is pretty ugly, and we won't miss Citibank, JPM and such but...
Goddamn these bigshots and their sense of title to the world. I hope they lose.
Each of those is a successful tech company in their own right.
I disagree. None are another revenue stream. Android/YouTube/etc pull a low of weight for the AdWords business but (a) those were acquisitions and (b) they don't have a business model "in their own right."
GSuite: a product of several acquisitions
Android: acquisition
YouTube: acquisition
Nest: acquisition
Sure, they may have improved them. But definitely not spawned from blooming flowers.
Too bad I dont know what theyre doing but Ive been really annoyed that I couldnt get FAANG compensation to write smart contracts, and thats the only kind of thing worth coding right now, from a purely market based perspective the market is saying write smart contracts and ideally get paid while learning/improving how to do so. Other Web2 organizations are not competitive in compensation. Bi-modal compensation paths.
Web3 organizations also have their own bi-modal pay scale, with Silicon Valley VC backed startups with pitiful startup compensation for unnecessary equity on one end, and higher base salary + token swinging organizations on the other end. Although there is an extremely high probability of the token compensation turning into annual million dollar compensation and the luxury of a much faster vesting period, its still not exactly on par with the guarantees of a FAANG compensation structure. Over the last 18 months it has gotten extremely close though!
But not good enough for me, since launching smart contracts individually is still way more lucrative but requires way more focus. Working for someone else doesn't require focus it just require showing up, while gaining public consensus and references on your skillset. so it would be nice to have all that downtime compensated but only if it was high enough.
If Google begins working on the right thing it’ll pull all the comp up.
There are better jokes.
FWIW, I'm in Palo Alto working for an Eastern European startup and not starving which I imagine is unheard of in any other space.
Token vesting is fantastic and short! Months!
Early stage private companies being compared to FAANG compensation is a major market distortion!
Its basically base + bonus + 5-6 figures of equity/options and 6 figures of tokens at a prelaunch valuation!
Just need the base + total initial compensation package higher, and some of the formalities to match US tax circumstances.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kb43x/shell-quest-carbon-ca...
Wasn't Gmail someone's 20%-time project, within Google?
Instead, the name was always related to high growth + high salaries + innovative technonogy + interesting companies to be working for.
The usual answer would be to keep a pet project alive but that runs into the realities of blockchains: the technology is inefficient by design and that means that most of the real work and data happens off chain. Having a copy of the chain itself is likely of minimal value if the company hosting referenced data stops paying those bills, an oracle is no longer available, the client application stops being developed or is not released by its owner, etc.
This means that you can't say anything about the long-term survivability of the chain itself without saying what it's used for because that'll tell you both how many people care about it at all and how committed they'll be to continuing to maintain the chain and its clients.
/S?
https://timroughgarden.github.io/fob21/l/l1.pdf
I doubt roughgarden is excited about blockchains just because he has some tokens
You mentioned that there are true believers, so i thought you referred to the commenters on the topic, since you linked to the HN topic and not the pdf associated with that topic.
Which is a bit confusing tbh :p
Definitely since you both submitted it, have the top comment on it and I don't know him.
Perhaps you meant too small to occupy the entire new "Blockchain Unit"? Perhaps, but I assume they would be working on several things rather than just one.
Docusign has a big share of the e-signature market. The market itself just isn't very big (by google standards).
Again, we don't have to speculate. We don't even know who the founder of Bitcoin is and it's still under active development.
In case you're interested, the mailing list is a great way to see what's happening in Bitcoin development: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
For Ethereum: https://ethereum-magicians.org/
Similarly, even if they used someone else's chain like Ethereum, if the data stored on the chain references something like a CDN endpoint where the real payload is available, the fact that the blockchain itself is still running wouldn't help you much if you didn't have a compatible alternative with a copy of the data.
I am not saying that’s likely today, but rather that it’s easy to over estimate resilience in the case of black swan events.
There's a disincentive for people with mining power to attack the network (assuming they even have enough). It makes their hardware worth less so I can't imagine anyone doing it for kicks.
Agree though that something similar to what you're saying is what Bitcoin hitting $0 would look like. Certainly not impossible but I think it's extremely difficult attack. Even more so now than in 2017.
The real issue for current owners is Crypto seems to have lost it’s grip on the popular imagination. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin What happens from here is likely a question of utility rather than speculation.