A highly-available move opertaion for replicated trees [pdf](martin.kleppmann.com) |
A highly-available move opertaion for replicated trees [pdf](martin.kleppmann.com) |
What I have done: watched his other talks about CRDTs (conflict-free replicated data types). I'd recommend watching this video [1] for an overview of what CRDTs are, why he cares about them, and open problems (one of which he solves in this paper!).
A (potentially inaccurate) TLDR: local-first collaboration software presents is a compelling alternative to the current way collaboration is implemented in a client-server model. Specifically: if we build tooling that makes it easy to build collaborative experiences into your app without a server, then we'll potentially be able to achieve the goals of 'decentralization' (or, fuck the middleman or whatever you wanna call it) in some real sense. Note that I'm not talking about crypto coins here!
Very cool, very exciting!
The tradeoff: you need to store all the operations you've ever seen, as you need to be able to detect conflicts between old ones.
Question for the authors (if they are around): any ideas for how we might get to efficient pruning of old operations?
My first thought was that you could have some notion of epoch, and once you move beyond that epoch, you accept no new operations from it. But then you realize that this requires nodes to agree on moving between epochs, which seems like it might require some fancy consensus protocol / a known set of nodes / mad complexity.
I don't have any ideas. Do you all have some idea of how we might be able to prune this old log? Or even sketches of ideas?
> However, in practice it is easy to truncate the log, because apply_op only examines the log prefix of operations whose timestamp is greater than that of the operation being applied. Thus, once it is known that all future operations will have a timestamp greater than t, then operations with timestamp t or less can be discarded from the log.
The main issue seems to be that we need to know about all the replicas that we want to be able to synchronize with - but I guess there isn't really a way around this.
Then it mentions multiple times that Lamport clocks/timestamp can be used as the timestamp in their system but as far as I know these only give a partial order of events. How is this reconciled in their system?
This should not be problematic, since the Lamport timestamps are only equal in cases where there is guaranteed to be no causal relationship between the events (i.e. the user did not see the effects of one event before submitting the next event), so it's fine to pick the ordering arbitrarily.
[1] Based on reading the Rust implementation (https://docs.rs/crdt_tree/latest/src/crdt_tree/clock.rs.html...), since I had the same question :)
So for a Lamport timestamp, you go from the 1-tuple (timestamp) to the 2-tuple (timestamp, id) where 'id' is some arbitrary ordered key, unique for each process in the system. For instance every process in the system could just generate a large GUID, or a really big integer, or anything else. Then for any event e1 and e2, if the timestamps are equal, just tiebreak based on the ordering of IDs.
(This ability to "upgrade" a Lamport timestamp to have a total ordering is actually covered in Lamport's original paper at some point IIRC, but I don't have it open.)
Moreover, if you allow the set of nodes you do know to make operations maliciously (e.g. a single bad node enters the set and tries to cause conflicts), things get much more complicated, and I don't really think you can escape the impossibility results in relation to consensus protocols...
Using a consensus protocol is possible, and would have the advantage that it only requires communication with a quorum (typically a majority of nodes), rather than all nodes. However, it has the downside that now a node cannot generate timestamps independently any more — generating a timestamp would then also require a round trip to a quorum, making the algorithm a lot more expensive.