Getting an Exynos galaxy means more thermal throttling, lower performances and is just not competitive with other brands for the budget.
>First, Qualcomm can't produce enough processor to fit in all of the Samsung's phones. Second, snapdragon is too expensive, especially if you buy it in other countries. So, Samsung only uses snapdragon in countries where Qualcomm sells them cheaper.
As well as wanting to be exposed into more markets
Also samsung seems to be doing something fishy with benchmark results. It seems like exynos has been very close or even outperforming snapdragon for years now in benchmarks but the performance gap in real life is still massive. My friend imported a samsung s21 and it is a nightmare compared to my snapdragon s21.
For the SoCs being compared here, the new Exynos model has half the big cores of the Qualcomm model.
I wish I could read this review in 8 Gen1 vs 2200, but the writer took apart from Anandtech.
This nonsense made me go out of my way to buy a Pixel 5 (in 2022) instead of an S22. Those are the only two reasonably-sized phones I could find.
Xiaomi and others are happy to buy Qualcomm chips if it gives them the high end advantage
If you game or edit pics or anything else that needs a faster proc, sure, you'll notice not having the fastest phone. But if you email, reddit, HN, twitter, etc, you're really not going to notice much.
Rumors are the iPhone 14 will have the same A15 and only the Pro will get the A16. I think you'll see a bunch of people freak out about this, but honestly, phones really don't need to be faster at this point.
The North American Note 9 used a Snapdragon 845 SoC while the European version used Samsung's own Exynos 9810. The Exynos consistently benched lower, had worse battery life and ran hotter. The upside was that the Exynos version has an unlocked bootloader, which is huge imo.
With a custom kernel made by hobbyists in their spare time, you can have the 9810 on par with the SD845 or even better. It has great undervolting and overclocking potential on both the CPU and GPU. The difference between the stock Samsung kernel and Zeus for example, is mind boggling.
Sadly, flashing a custom ROM on it involves tripping an eFuse and losing some Samsung functionality, but if you don't care about Samsung Pay and whatever other "secure" garbage they offer, it's worth it.
You pay them extra to avoid "Chinese brands" and you get ads everywhere, bloated devices with very bad performance.
I'm still using a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition and even if it's slow, it still works pretty well. It has some stuff in it that I can't get rid off but overall is a great tablet. I've used countless Samsung devices ever since and I only see the quality going down.
[1] Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra:
This is on top of other issues like the wifi just not connecting after a bit, or the bloatware and constant struggle fighting against their incessant notifications. After this, I'm never getting her a Samsung phone again. Please Google, don't kill the Pixel line... you're our only hope.
I used to buy their products, because back in the early 2010s they we're successful as an alternative to Apple - in terms for bang/buck ratio at least.
I won't be switching anytime soon because my Galaxy S8 is holding up decently, but news such as these here will make me think twice about choosing them again.
It's working prefectly fine so far and I don't really need to run prime95 on it but this sucks from Samsung.
the US doesn't want koreans to develop their own chip anymore, so they sell their stock of scuffed exynos to EU market
Does anyone else find this sort of flex ridiculous?
Im currently on an iphone 8 still kicking.
If it had a removable battery I would buy it in a heartbeat, I dont think Ill ever need to replace my phone as long as it has good battery health. Problem is, there are almost no phones on the market that do have one. Last one I had was a LG G3.
Very happy to be proven wrong though - I have no direct experience in the modern mobile gaming area.
Switching apps, latency for apps to restore state once you switch to them, latency for the camera to save a photo, latency on pretty much all interactions is noticeably better.
I'm not talking about dropped frames, Apple have always been good at ensuring a fluid user experience, but there are lots of points where apps can take a few seconds to do something on older hardware, or do it nearly instantly on newer hardware.
Does a few seconds make a difference? To my life, no. To my enjoyment of using the device, yeah. Whether it's worth frequent upgrades or not is a value judgement we can only make for ourselves, but there are many perceptible differences devices more than a few years apart.
Probably not the best examples because they have bloated webapps that are pretty slow/laggy.
If you're on desktop, use the old reddit layout, and install RES if you can.
Nearly every complaint I see about reddit's UX is because of people using the official app (Seriously, how is the official app the worst one?) or the new reddit UX.
As for Twitter, I've never felt its website or app to be slow on mobile.
Reddit on a desktop does this kinda weird jiggle thing.
I thought my eyes were going bad, and then you notice the page is still loading after 10 seconds.
Voice latency is a big part of why people type on a telephone, instead of talking on it. We're entering a second generation of people who have no idea what it was like talking on an analog POTS network. They'll even argue with you, claiming their VOIP connection across the ocean has the same quality and latency as someone talking on a hard line to a neighbor down the road. Ummm... no. Not even close. Sadly, the older generations didn't realize how good they had it.
Remember when phone companies used to compete on quality? AT&T's "You get what you pay for" campaign. Sprint's "So clear you can hear a pin drop" campaign. MCI's "Static-free coast-to-coast."
Today, it's "We'll bundle six other services you don't want with your phone service and charge you a $1,200 for a new phone. Aren't we great!"
And personally, I'd rather have a little latency added than have to talk over a shitty POTS line. I always had a hard time understanding people over it.
Battery in SE 2 compared to 3 is 11% larger (1821 mAh to 2018 mAh) but advertised "video playback" duration is 15% larger (13 h to 15h). This is unlike the comparison of SE 1 to 2 in which an 18% larger battery (1624 mAh to 1821 mAh) was entirely eaten by screen, etc. for no improved playback duration.
13 h 15 h
I think if this rumor were true then Apple would not have launched the iPhone SE with the A15. There was really no reason for the SE to have the A15 but they shoved it in there, anyway.
Then again I upgrade phones if they come out in green also. My last upgrade was for a 120hz screen refresh rate.
It's not just Samsung Pay you'll lose. Blow the eFuse and you'll play constant cat-and-mouse with Google Pay, Netflix and a shitload of banking apps.
It's really sad that we have to choose between rooting our devices (and giving us the same amount of control that we have on desktop PCs and laptops) or participating in digital life.
The idea that it's just unthinkable to have the ability to grant superuser rights on my stupid pocket computer is ridiculous. I can't help but think it's because it's another chance for said services to avoid the "mistake" that was (relatively) open computing and the choice it offers.
As for Netflix and others, I don't understand why they accept Widevine (the daft DRM on phones, unlocking Samsungs leads to 720p max resolution or something instead of 4K). It's not like it curbs piracy lol
Of course, we can only say this about their Qualcomm devices, since there aren’t other Exynos devices to compare against Samsung’s.
It's like Samsung forgot that phones serve people, not the other way around. Samsung software is just so damn needy and won't get out of the way.
And it's not like these things are cheap either! The user is very much a paying customer, not a freeloader who's a product to be sold to other businesses.
The problem is that Android already comes with all these first party apps so you just end up with duplication. This problem is only further compounded by the carrier having their hand in the cookie jar and having their own first party apps.
From this all you end up with is massive app duplication on your phone and every app fighting to be your choice. I remember buying an S7 from Verizon years back, it had 3 dialers, 3 messaging apps, and 4 web browsers.
Dialers: Verizon Dialer, Samsung Dialer, Android Dialer.
Messaging: Verizon Message, Samsung Messages, Android Messages
Web Browser: Verizon Web, Samsung Web, Chrome, <3rd party browser added by Samsung>, <3rd party browser added by Verizon>
[1] https://www.xda-developers.com/universal-android-debloater-u...
Is Samsung "good at software" at all?
I'm wondering if maybe Samsung's skill set as a company just doesn't include software / they don't have the people who know how to manage software development / products / teams and etc?
I remember ages ago I had a Samsung phone and their software started to trickle out and I thought "woah they're just getting started it seems, but they've got the money to get better". A few years later they hadn't improved at all, and were clearly going to push their own software and at that point I decided I was out...
Thr UI itself feels mature and fast. I never run into problems with lagging and I practically run my phone (zfold3) on battery saver all the time. (I don't need to, it just doesn't seem to have any cons for me, so might as well)
Their camera app is great and split screen is executed much better than Google. Dex and pen support are pretty much exclusive to Samsung.
Maybe the nonflagship experience is terrible. But their flagship experience for me has been stellar.
Sure enough, the current year model is blazingly fast with same apps installed, even when the specs are not very different... speed lasts until that 2 year mark comes.
I can only select Samsung devices as mobile phones from my employer.
I just won't.
The galaxy store is useless too, but the new optional samsung apps that you can get from there can be awesome. The Sound Assistant app has been a game changer and it's only available on the galaxy store
for me it was a combination of having a normal audiojack, smaller form factor(s9) and pricing.
I did buy the phone after it was already out for a year or two and was cheaper...
Software is ok for me, but I don't use anything from samsung except for the mail app and clock, so it is not like I would notice.
I have never heard of any software developer in the US aspiring to work at Samsung. I assume their pay to quality of life at work ratio is pretty bad.
- Bloat? Yup, touchwiz.
- Ads? They had an unremovable galaxy store app early on.
- Bad performance? Definitely compared to the iPhones they got compared to.
At this point I see the main pulls of Samsung being the fact they offer better software support than Chinese brands with up to 5 years security updates / 4 years OS updates, and they have an entire ecosystem of tablets and keyfinders and audio products and so on. The problem I have with Samsung nowadays is that Apple offers all of those things but better so if you can do without the Google/Microsoft integration you should just go Apple. They have also lost several of their historical advantages:
- SD card? Gone.
- Headphone jack? Gone.
- Best screens in the business? Everybody is using their panels now.
Not that I've needed to buy a refurbished LG V35 yet- it's going on 3.5 years without missing a beat. The only bloatware was LG's personal fitness app, and a handful of carrier stuff that was easily uninstalled or disabled.
My old V20 was similarly durable, besides OLED burn-in after about 3 years. I still keep it by my desk in case I need to use Find My Device.
What's so good about them?
I don't like chinese brands, but Samsung & Co. did not deliver competetive devices in lower price-area.
TBH the Apple lineup has never been more confusing.
In the article I've linked, you'll see the Samsung S10 gets the longest battery life of any device using the Snapdragon 855, while still placing at or near the top in the performance charts.
[0]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14794/snapdragon-855-phone-ro...
And yeah split screen is better than stock.
It is still more than enough phone for me, 4 years after it was released. It's showing no signs of slowing down, either.
That was AT&T's method. AT&T even had a demo line that you could call that would play various sounds and music and you could press a button to switch between the modes to hear the difference.
But you can't really think that a POTS call sounds better than a modern VOIP call?
Yes, I can. Because just before the pandemic, I was able to use a real POTS network in a remote part of the country. Called from one ranch to another over a rural switch. And it was awesome.
The quality of a call is about more than its audio bandwidth. If that was true, then people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an iPod and a vacuum tube amp. And, again, latency is a massive factor, as is true asynchronous communication. Arguing over POTS is a whole different thing than arguing over VOIP.
People who defend VOIP claiming it's just as good have never done a side-by-side comparison. The only advantage VOIP has over anything is the usual "make it cheaper" race to the bottom.
These days so much of it is routed over IP, which is where all the latency got added.
So, its hard to know what your "ranch" actually was.
OTOH, its hard for any hardwired system to be half as bad as your average cell phone which are dealing with constant channel quality issues, which results in the robot voice (for lack of a better description), and all the broken up audio, or simply silence that one frequently gets from a cell phone. Basically cell phones suck for actually talking to people. <shrug> But once again, convenience trumps quality.
They seem to be really bad at user experience stuff specifically.
In their defense, this is exactly how most engineers would run a company I think, haha. The only problem is that they are in literally every segment, including ones where usability is really important.
Here it is on my machine, latest version
https://i.imgur.com/dg9JOr2.png
Not saying this is better :D
If you have to download an app to use what is fundamentally a website, that website has failed miserably.
