Photos of chickens, taken by chickens(chicken.photos) |
Photos of chickens, taken by chickens(chicken.photos) |
To test the claim with a similar example, let's say I run a red light which triggers a red light cam to take a picture of me and my car. I don't think I can claim that I took that photo, or that it is a selfie.
You might get lucky for a couple of years (we did), but now we have two fewer chickens and a cock-a-doodle-gulag around our coop.
If you don't already own a hatchet, you may as well get one up front. At some point you're bound to have to put one out of its misery. You may as well not make it wait while you make a trip to the hardware store.
The principle of "buy once, cry once" definitely applies to chicken feeders and waterers. The feeders that hold around 30 pounds of feed are vastly superior to the smaller ones and are worth the investment. The waterers that hold a 5 of gallons and fill via a screw top are similarly superior.
Also: chickens shit everywhere. Forget about carefree gambols through your yard once you have chickens.
They make plenty of noise if you're a light sleeper and they want to be let out for the day.
However, if this counts as being "taken by chickens" then it also implies that when a burglar triggers a motion-activated camera, the burglar owns the rights to the image.
No, per the description and your legal context, the chickens are not taking the pictures.
> Are these chicken selfies?
> Yes. The chickens are using an input device (the motion sensor) to invoke a computer function (the capture method on the Pi), which invokes a series of events that results in the photo being taken, uploaded, and shared.
> This is identical to a human using an input device (tapping a button) to invoke a computer function (the post method on Instagram), which invokes a series of events that results in the photo being taken, uploaded, and shared.
Maybe the BUY NFT link on every photo goes to accounts the chickens own. Nothing about NFTs makes any less sense than this, so why not?
But yeah, the the chickens or a burglar steals the cameras and activate them by their own programing, overriding whatever setting they had before, the camera owner won't own the copyright on the photos anymore.
In other words, it's not that easy to lose the copyrights. The burglar just activating the motion-trigger isn't enough.
Photos taken at unfamiliar angles will present their objects in ways we're not used to seeing. Which makes them less familiar and more stimulating. Which is more interesting.
Secondly, if you open up the depth of field with a very deep scene, you create more possibilities for composition, framing or storytelling. Again, all you have at human eye level is chicken/grass. At chicken eye level, with a very deep focal range, you might also be able to tell the story of the chicken in 'the great outdoors', you may see mountains and forests on the horizon etc.
Hope that helps.
This one for instance has near direct look into the camera, and there's no way you'd get that from human waist or eye level https://chicken.photos/20220611121718
> Yes. The chickens are using an input device (the motion sensor) to invoke a computer function (the capture method on the Pi), which invokes a series of events that results in the photo being taken, uploaded, and shared.
> This is identical to a human using an input device (tapping a button) to invoke a computer function (the post method on Instagram), which invokes a series of events that results in the photo being taken, uploaded, and shared.
Is it really "identical" though? A human knows they're taking the selfie and sees the result. The chickens do not.
I’m perfectly happy to not support or share crypto cash grab schemes dressed up as wholesome little projects.
Wow, some expensive eggs! Is it because these chickens are now celebrities? :)
Kidding aside, I just bought a box of 10 eggs today for 4 euros (~4,15USD) and thought that was a bit expensive. Also from free-range chicken.
I can find "egg prices around the world", but I can't find a single site where I can filter results by the size of eggs and type of chickens. Here's an idea for a really unneeded SaaS!
Excellent about page.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...
Nice work.
This is somewhat charming surveillance footage at best.
I was expecting I will see photos of chicken taken by chicken wearing GoPro, though dunno what would be trigger.
I was always hoping the chickens would chase the deer but they just ignored them.
Think more about cows. Nice creatures. Live in the fields under the sun and that isn't horrific. We eat them. Maybe you had a pet cow? Ok that's fine. There's your pet/food line issue. Most omnivorous humans believe it is possible to treat them with respect in their lives and eat them. Others disagree, of course they do. That's also fine.
As a civilization, we don't treat chickens anything like that. We have factory farms that are utterly horrific, stomach-turning and detrimental to global health and we pretend we kind of pretend don't know that and don't talk about it much.
You don't have to be a vegetarian or keep chickens as pets or even particularly like chickens much (and I don't) to object to those horrors. Factory farms days are numbered. They are beyond what the consumers of factory farms can stomach. They are beyond what we should tolerate in their abuse of the commons of having effective antibiotics. They are nothing like what we think of as farms which are usually some approximation of the family farm. It is perfectly reasonable and defensible to be very proudly meat-eating and want effective reform here. In my experience most do lean that way when they find out what goes on in a shed full of caged chickens.
As much as many people try, there is often no simple black and white answer to humanity's most complex issues.
But often the black and white answer is the one that's printed on the slogan.
When I was kid I used to work summers on a family-owned free-range chicken farm. I remember being fascinated by the behavior of chickens. I also spent a lot of time figuring out if they could remember me, and some did remembered and where more keen on approaching, they were totally conditioned by the fact that I used to give them some different kind of grain food. They even made the trip to the house about 30 meters away, just these few ones. Of course they probably remembered the food but I was still happy with my accomplishments in the field of human/chicken colaboration.
It's like having toddler dinosaurs bumbling around and having little adventures for your entertainment.
A motion sensor is not an "input device," it is a sensory monitor with thresholds and triggers controlled by the architect of the system, not the thing being monitored. This is evidenced by the fact that several of the photos were triggered by something other than the chickens, such as a lawn mower.
If I create a system that drops paint on a canvas when the temperature reaches 80 degrees F, it would be nonsense to assert that the sun had painted a picture. I painted a picture, and the sun was one of the tools I used in place of a brush.
> A motion sensor is not an "input device," it is a sensory monitor with thresholds and triggers controlled by the architect of the system, not the thing being monitored.
Is a microphone an input device? Does it depend on whose voice is captured? Or whether the speaker knows their voice is being captured?
> it would be nonsense to assert that the sun had painted a picture.
The action of the Sun is the proximate cause of the dropping paint. It is not under your control (unlike a brush), and it is not deterministic (though perhaps it is somewhat predictable). The Sun has more control over the result than you do, but the Sun is predictable enough that you feel like you have control.
All this is aside from the argument that the Sun is the ultimate author of all creative works on Earth. Which of course it is!
Edit. Link to relevant Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...
and do I take the picture when I push the button on my camera or do we really take the pictures when we start looking at them?
I'm not sure why this is supposed to be interesting.
“We don’t want to do it, but if you are really going to pay this, we’ll make it happen.”
I was quoting some wood deck and lawn work this spring. I had four people come out to quote, and two gave me fuck off prices about 3-4x what I eventually paid.
EDIT: for reference on good eggs, I’ve found duck eggs to be superior to chicken eggs.
Hoping to get a coop up later this year and start experimenting!
Maybe it's a typo. Perhaps he meant $20/dozen.
Which is still expensive. I get my eggs from a farmer 30 miles out of town, and she only charges $8/dozen, and that includes delivering it to my doorman. But I only order when she's recently slaughtered another farm animal, to make it worth the trip for her.
is there a textual equivalent of a laugh track that can be included?
/s ~= sarcasm
/j ~= joke???
i guess some people just never read douglas adams, or these are the same folks that "tried" to read adams and "just didn't get it"
This type of thing may work, depending on what your goal is https://nerdtechy.com/best-wifi-sd-card
heard zuckerberg booked him as wedding photographer (for real)
Especially if you're interested in hatching ducklings.
(I misread KYC in the GP comment as KFC first until I read your comment.)
If anything, the whole “our stack is so minimal!” angle serves as a signal to crypto dorks that minting NFTs for profit is an accessible possibility with minimal necessary buy-in.
This isn’t just a website with pictures of chickens. It is a for-profit advertisement for crypto with pictures of chickens.
IMO being completely anti-crypto is a waste of energy
Age is definitely one big factor. The longer they sit the lighter they get. But I suspect diet also plays a big role, and to a lesser extent, lifestyle/overall health
The whites don't separate from the shell well if they're too fresh
High, low, inside a pipe, from a tree, under water, where people don't usually go / aren't allowed / can't access, etc.
Keep in mind that the unusual can become commonplace if overused. Selfie sticks were initially a novel PoV. They became cliche in about a week.
Was it haters that posted suicide hotline numbers in crypto reddits? or what
But today you have the capacity to biologically thrive equally as well without needing to eat chick en meat, so "lovely beings" are being slaughtered for no more than a few moments of sensory pleasure. A terrible price for such a lowly payoff.
In general my opinion is meatless diets are possible, but not as healthy as omnivore ones. Thus the complexity of the matter, whose answer is not that simple. That said, I honestly do not think this is the place for such a debate.
Indeed, that is an opinion. However, the science is clear that meatless diets are more sustainable and healthier for humans.
This may not be correct: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jun/06/chickens-wer...
We consider doves to be an "elegant" bird, all white, used in religious imagery and magicians' tricks, and so on, while we consider pigeons to be a "dirty" bird, mostly known for scavenging food in cities, even though they're basically the same type of bird. People chase them around for fun.
But if someone had only ever seen white doves and suddenly saw a much more colorful version of the bird that we call pigeons, they'd probably consider it to be the more fanciful, impressive-looking bird.
Just because something is a lovely animal doesn't mean I won't put a round through it's heart and butcher it's corpse to sustain my life. Elk are beautiful animals, but I have no problem killing one and eating it. We are the greatest predator Nature has ever evolved and I can accept that. More's the pity others can't.
Do you actually do this, or are you just virtue signaling? You never buy factory-farmed animal products from the store?
> Elk are beautiful animals, but I have no problem killing one and eating it
But it's not necessary for survival, so why would you?
> We are the greatest predator Nature has ever evolved and I can accept that. More's the pity others can't.
Interesting thought. I wonder how great of predator you are faced with a lion, or even that elk, but disarmed of technology.
I grew up in a town in Mississippi of about 2000 people. Everyone hunts. My grandfather's best friend was a butcher with his own shop. Everyone around us had cows because most of the people around us were farmers. I now live in Fort Worth, or as it's affectionately known to its residents - Cowtown. I don't have to buy meat from the grocer because there's ranchers all around me. I can - and do - get sides of beef regularly.
I go hunting in Alaska with friends about twice a year, depending on what's happening with work and our schedules. One elk has a tremendous amount of meat.
> But it's not necessary for survival, so why would you?
So you don't eat anything? How are you still alive? I'm pretty sure eating is necessary for survival.
> Interesting thought. I wonder how great of predator you are faced with a lion, or even that elk, but disarmed of technology.
This is kind of a stupid thought. In fact, I would hope your friends would tell you that you're beneath this level of incredibly poor reasoning. We are the greatest predator because of our mastery of technology.
The problem isn't really about using it yourself, it's that people don't need to ask your permission to use it, therefore you can't (easily) profit from it. Possibly quite annoying if you're in the AI business.
You don’t own the copyright for any picture generated by a computer, whether random or intentional
That said, chicken can't own copyright, and they are the author, therefore no one owns the copyright.
The law generally won’t help you narrow down where the exact line is between those two, as that’s up to the courts to decide on a case-by-case basis.
It’s when then computer creates the art itself that it becomes the artist
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4YCQY4GwlBM&list=PLU8JDCV_35GGWW...
I still have the original cassette tape from when I was a child and still occasionally play it in my car radio (the only tape player I own).
[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/bestoflegaladvice/comments/ki9gb1/i...
so approximtely 10x more than me on mondays before caffeine
One thing is certain: there is more money on the meatless bandwagon than outside of it.
Please let's agree to disagree, as I said this is not the place for such an argument and these days it's become like discussing our favourite football teams. I don't care for it.
It won't be a good 6 months for people that bet their retirements, or houses, or savings on the stock market either. Maybe they shouldn't have done that. They are both zero sum games. Both have scams. What's the difference?
I may be pro crypto with a long position, but I still told all those around me to be weary when they were all wanting to buy the peak. None of them were interested at all when BTC was at $4k. Human nature.
Just like it's human nature for the haters to jump out of the woodwork with "I told you so" every time the market wanes, which was my point. They loved it the last go round
Thank you for your insight that since you personally expect to make money, it’s all good despite the massive losses of regular people.
I further agree that these people whose lives have been ruined would not have incurred these consequences if there wasn’t such a big culture of speculators trying to legitimize online gambling with silly and misleading rhetoric.