Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft(linuxiac.com)

24 points by onderkalaci 3 years ago | 19 comments

SahAssar 3 years ago |

> The general perception is that no one wants it (systemd)

I disagree. A few loud voices strongly do not want it, but a few others like it, and the vast majority seems pretty content using it, not caring as long as it works well enough.

alex3305 3 years ago | |

I'm only using systemd as a user, but for me the overall experience is rather painless after some trial and error. Except the learning curve for more advanced usages is steep and documentation seems way too complete and complicated. But I tend to experience that more with (larger) open source projects anyway, so maybe that's on me.

m-p-3 3 years ago | | |

Same here. I can't say I'm comfortable with it, but for the amount of services I manually need to create (that aren't pre-made by package maintainers) I normally find enough info online to figure it out by myself.

hdjjhhvvhga 3 years ago | |

"No one wants it" is obviously a hyperbole. "It caused significant problems," "several design decisions were unfortunate," "a significant percentage of sysadmins were upset by it," and so on - all these are true statements, whereas "no one wants it" is not.

User23 3 years ago | |

Popular with people who don’t care is pretty faint praise. But it’s probably enough to run a business so there it is.

SahAssar 3 years ago | | |

It's also popular with quite a few people who actually really like it and use it extensively, like me. We just tend not to be as vocal about it, probably because we don't need to be since that side is the default in all mainstream distros.

My main complaint about systemd is that most people don't use it enough. the units for sockets, timers, paths can be really powerful, and the sandboxing capabilities are great. They are just underused.

For basic system components like an init, network manager, etc. I'd also say that "Popular with people who don’t care" is great praise. It means that the people who don't want to care can choose to just not. Being great with people who do care is of course great too (and being popular with both is the best), but don't discount the value of a utility just being a utility.

cassianoleal 3 years ago | | |

I like systemd's service units and its subsystem, and related units like sockets. I dislike pretty much everything else about it.

dane-pgp 3 years ago |

This only marks his official employment by Microsoft. He's been working for them unofficially for years. /s

privacyking 3 years ago | |

It all makes sense now.

Embrace, extend, extinguish. The cycle repeats.

xplanephil 3 years ago |

The guy who ignores all established standards (do one thing well) in order to reinvent a square wheel, now works for the company, that, wait a minute, has been well known for ignoring all established standards (IE box model anyone?). Yup, he's going to do just fine!

hbogert 3 years ago | |

Which thing did he make that doesn't do one thing well? Is this the hate on the systemd repo which houses multiple applications?

hdjjhhvvhga 3 years ago | |

> IE box model anyone

There used to be a (long) time where everybody ignored web standards, and each browser had their own extensions. But you are right: it was Microsoft who tried to introduce complete vendor lock-in with ActiveX controls - I couldn't use my private banking without it, for example. And it wasn't that long time ago.

dmitriid 3 years ago | |

> ignoring all established standards (IE box model anyone?)

Funny you should mention that.

IE box model was correct from the practical point of view, and the standard was wrong. Today every single CSS reset forces IE box model with box-sizing: border-box;