If everybody gets promoted because of "memorable" work, maybe nobody actually deserves the promotions, and they're just handed out at the whim of whoever remembers your work?
Pretty common in companies these days, I suppose big companies just turn it up to 11.
It's certainly an interesting choice of name!
Should you say "TRY-no" to rhyme with Rhino or "TREE-no" to rhyme with Arduino?
I would do the latter, but I'm a debauched expat. My guess is that half the people in America will do the former.
Because I overthink this stuff I had to go see what's on trino.com and it's an impressively old-school unfinished personal website.
Also, if anyone is reading this wondering which version Athena comes from, it's a release that was common to both Presto and Trino before the fork. However, more recently we've worked with the Athena team on getting the newer Trino features that aren't in Presto today in Athena. So it's starting to become more based on Trino.
I'm confused -- does Facebook not have similar code review infrastructure as Google, etc. That is: nothing -- I mean nothing -- gets "contributed" at Google without it going through code review.
Were FB engineers able to commit directly without review? Or is it that they were given some kind of "owners" privilege to fast track reviews? This all sounds bad.
https://trino.io/blog/2020/12/27/announcing-trino.html
Months after this consolidation, Facebook decided to create a competing community using The Linux Foundation®. As a first action, Facebook applied for a trademark on Presto®. This was a surprising, norm-breaking move because up until that point, the Presto® name had been used without constraints by commercial and non-commercial products for over 6 years. In September of 2019, Facebook established the Presto Foundation at The Linux Foundation®, and immediately began working to enforce this new trademark. We spent the better part of the last year trying to agree to terms with Facebook and The Linux Foundation that would not negatively impact the community, but unfortunately we were unable to do so. The end result is that we must now change the name in a short period of time, with little ability to minimize user disruption.
(IMHO, PrestoSQL also looked maybe a little too much like PostgreSQL in this space.)
I'm imagining an unusually efficient brandstorming session. "OK, folks, idea hats on, there are no bad ideas... we've got Presto..." "Uh... new Presto... New-o..." "Neutrino..." "Trino?" "Trino!" "Searching it now!"
Although, in this case it was code changes and features that only suited Fb
Starburst spun out from some contributors working on Teradata’s Presto distro in 2017.
The Presto creators left Facebook in late 2018 and worked on building the new community and fork for most of 2019. They joined Starburst around a year later.
I asked these same questions in my last company and it seems like nothing was correlated between starburst and the new fork. After talking with Martin T. (One of the creators of Presto) about it and a few other long time contributors and my concerns went away.
I ultimately started to contribute to Trino and over the years I’ve only seen a community dedicated to making a successful query engine. You can see that by the activity and growth of the project.
Feel free to remain a skeptic but the best way to know is joint the community and make your own assumptions. :)
> Presto, a distributed SQL query engine for big data analytics
> we were forced to rebrand and changed the name to Trino
Typically if a company wants to contribute to open source, you have to create a PR and have it be reviewed and merged by the maintainers of the open source project on top of internal review. Facebook management decided to circumvent that process.
I even remember some of my internal commits making it into FBs open source code on GitHub, even though at the time I had no idea that this specific area of FBs codebase is open source.
Any two people are in a less-extreme but similar boat: if someone puts up a bad diff and someone without a stake in the code accepts it, they had better hope to hell nothing goes wrong.
SEV review is a remarkably enlightened process for what it is, but you do not want to sit there explaining to extreme-seniority people why you YOLO'd something into Presto without buy in from a Presto hacker with your manager sitting behind you already thinking about how much this is going to get harped on in calibration.
The `OWNERS` file at FB is in `hg log`, but it's there.
They finally added a "final review" step to ensure that someone eventually takes a look at these changes after the initial accept, but that still occurs several days after the commit.
Reviewed-by: yourself
in the commit message to skip review? That was my favorite one.
So we have one vote for tree-no, it's a start! With me, that's two!
Because it was more disciplined, those commits could be automatically marked for later review.
In the bad/fun old days of extremely small on-call loop, a less clear/organized escalation chain, and fairly "roll your own" per-team tooling, once in a blue moon a whole business unit would be down because 10k machines were crash-looping and you just needed `if (NULL == ptr) return;` on like one line to end the carnage. There are exceptions to every rule I suppose.
But in 7 years at FB I think I force slammed someone else as reviewer with merely their verbal approval in the middle of the night 2 or 3 times, and never after like, 2015.
They mail you the shit off your desk for playing games with any of that stuff, and it’s thoroughly, thoroughly checked.
This process is problematic, though. The "special case" is the standard process at FB: to make external contributors second class citizens.
They have their reasons, but doing this pushes the locus of discussion and action to the place where work happens fastest: inside the company. That means that the interests of FB engineers drive the project; in other words, not open.
That argument is I'm sure open to some logical nitpicking. But the evidence speaks for itself: Facebook open source projects aren't responsive to the outside community, and they language when FB's priorities shift. So their strategy has been pennywise, pound foolish in my view: they get the short term benefits of an "open" project, but they're incapable of actually being good open source custodians.
As an outsider and frequent consumer of some high profile open source projects 'owned' by Big Tech Companies I get the feeling that this same thing happens everywhere.
It probably does make good business sense but from out here it's a little odd.
Remind me again what the win was here? It seems like they would have been better off not open sourcing it in the first place.
It’s not bad or evil or wrong that Facebook does this…it just is.
Say you work at FB on unannounced project X. You want to integrate with open source component Y, from a FB open source project but you have questions about the right way to do it, and how to get needed features into the open source project.
You can't discuss this in public channels, and all the maintainers are right there available to you internally. So what do you do?
Everyone just went along with it because it was either YOLO SILICON VALLEY LMAO or they were just too intimidated.
That all stopped when Michael Moritz, legendary silicon valley investor, and one of Facebook biggest early investors and shareholders, was at the campus doing research for leading a 2nd round of funding. He was doing diligence all day and at one point had to poop and that's when Zuckerburg popped his head over with a smile to ask how's the diligence coming along.
Michael Moritz, not one to mince words, was apoplectic. 'GET THE FUCK OUT HERE YOU IDiiOT LIZARD LOOKING FUCKER.' Mark Zuckerburg nervously tried to laugh it off and persisted, because he really loved intimate poop conversations 'Aw c'mon Michael, it's silicon valley'. Zuckerburg then withdrew after Moritz flung his cellphone into his eye socket.
30 minutes later, Mark was in a very import meeting (where he banned questions about his black eye) when Moritz walked into the conference room.
'Everyone except Mark Zuckerburg, OUT'. As intimidated as they were of Zuckerburg, at the time Moritz was the bigger deal, and they all scurried out of the room.
Zuckerburg, however, is not one to be intimated by anyone. Not the Winkewoz twins, not Eduardo Savarn, not Peter Thiel, and not one of his biggest shareholder Michael Moritz. Zuckerburg passionately defended his practice, but Michael Moritz was having none of that. Moritz told him that it was a ticking PR and HR nightmare, and threatened to pull out of leading the 2nd round of funding if Mark continued, which would have been a catastrophe for the company. Zuckerburg pretended to arbitrate 'Ok fine, but you need to give me a good reason, because if it were normal, there would be no problem'.
Moritz was flabberghasted at this response. Was this a serious question? He answered with the most obvious answer 'Because.... it's not FUCKING NORMAL'. Unknown to Moritz, Zuckerburg had guessed a conversation like this would happen as soon as he was kicked out of the toilet stall, and began formulating a strategy to counter Moritz demands. Zuckerburg knew that Moritz would have all the leverage, but Zuckerburg was a master strategist.
Zuckerburg went for the pounce. 'Okay, I'll lets write out an agreement, in writing I'll rescind the policy because it's not normal'. Moritz was dumbfounded, but he was used to being dumbfounded by eccentric tech founders, afterall he was also an early investor in Apple, and he still found Zuckerburg tame compared to Steve Jobs. Moritz had a long day of work so they signed the agreement so that he could go back to doing his due diligence.
When Moritz left, a broad grin spread across Zuckerburg's face. " 'Not Normal' eh? " Zuckerburg said with a menacing laugh. Ever since then, Mark Zuckerburg has been on a life-long crusade to normalize poop conversations.
He had a checklist of what he needed to accomplish in order to realize this. His advisors would tell him it's impossible, but one by one Zuckerburg checked off the list. From normalizing smart phone use on the toilet (actually a collaboration between Mark Zuckerburg and Steve Jobs), to trusting Mark with their private photos, to normalizing people giving up their internet browsing privacy.
In 2015, Zuckerburg knew he would hit a wall, having people watch you while you poop was still too much of a leap. That's when Zuckerburg decided to buy Occulus, and eventually shift his company towards virtual reality.
If he could coax people into having life-like conversations while they were pooping in a virtual reality, then doing it in the real world wouldn't be too big of a leap.
Do you read facebook or instagram while you're pooping? Ever consider what urges you to do that? It's not your personal preference, it's by Mark Zuckerburg's design.
Zuckerburg only has 3 more boxes to check off before poop conversations are normalized.
Mark Zuckerburg wants to watch you poop. Are you going to let him?
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