Doesn't labelling businesses as Asian-owned make it easier for the attackers to target them in the future?
I could be wrong though! Anybody else have actual intel on this? I'm just going off the chatter on /r/sanfrancisco and /r/bayarea.
I can maybe see the desire/appeal for a label that means "all Asians except those from the Indian subcontinent, middle-east, or central Asia", but it's always been curious to me that society in America just adopted the word "Asian" for that purpose while excluding so much of "Asia" from falling under that label.
That used to be referred to as 'oriental'. Now 'East Asian' is used.
Then again, what’s the point of these labels?
Any groups missing?
Also, Asian is kinda a big category.
Usually, the point of identifying minority owned business is to allow people to perhaps help make up for historical (or even modern) oppression and help people from those groups overcome systemic issues that have likely made success more difficult for them. White people as a group have not been systemically oppressed.
I mean I think all these are asian it would just feel inappropriate if this ended up with only east asian places labeled as asian. Why not just use the country's name? I hope Googlers know "asian" isn't a race outside of "social construct" regional similarities in cuisine hower exist so maybe southeast-asian but I would prefer to know what country. Are they serving kimchi for sure or nah??
The closest I can think of are people who think parking minimum regulations should be removed, so that stores and house owners can decide for themselves how much parking they want to put in; certainly a far step different from not wanting an adequate number of parking spaces.
And about 1000 other reasons.
A gold star for your effort Jjeaff, but I'm still about 110% convinced that holding any group of people back for the sins of others is racist and morally wrong, not effective, counterproductive, and certainly no longer necessary.
you are either very bad at history or you are racist if you think white have never been a victim.
Twice defending Vienna from Ottoman sieges? Retaking Spain from the Moors? The failed last stand at Constantinople before the city, and Byzantium itself, fell to Muslim conquerors? Ending the Barbary slave trade, that raided Europe for centuries, kidnapping two million slaves into the Muslim world? Holding off the Mongol invasion? Or maybe you mean inventing antibiotics and the tractor? Or germ theory and the transistor?
Of course you're right. The trans-Atlantic slave trade (ignore the Arab trans-Saharan slave trade) is the only thing "white pride" conjures up. The propaganda has been incredibly effective, erasing all white history from the public mind except that which can be used to shame them.
> White people as a group have not been systemically oppressed.
Yes, all the barely or not-at-all held-off invasions I listed aren't oppression. Nor was the blood tax much of eastern Europe had to pay the Ottomans [1], nor the Pontic genocide [2]. It was always all sunshine and rainbows for the white man, that has never faced an external threat in all of Europe's history.
You could say this is the founding ideal of the US ("founding" since 1903, when The New Colossus Poem was mounted on the Statue of Liberty). All the battles for freedom and survival are reduced to "storied pomp", and the Colossus of Rhodes, built to celebrate the defence of that city, is re-interpreted as an ode to violent conquest, "With conquering limbs astride from land to land;". Your country has asked you to believe that Europeans and European-Americans never faced an external threat, never had to fight for survival, never lost such a battle, and never contributed anything to the world but violent conquest.
And you obliged whole-heartedly obliged, because you are a good person.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#...
And "white fragility" is simply a way to dismiss objections without addressing if they are factual. So in that sense, your use of the term is correct. Any resistance is "white fragility", and the only way to avoid that accusation is to submit to and agree with every attack against whites.
White Americans have never experienced oppression in America. Full stop. Europeans typically are not racialized and do not identify as white, instead as Italian, German, etc. This discussion is obviously about whites in the US.
>Though I don't see why oppression is a requirement for pride - does achievement not suffice?
It's not an achievement when you spent centuries conquering, colonizing, and extracting everything you can from BIPOCs. When you start out so far ahead in a race it's not an achievement when you win.
>And "white fragility" is simply a way to dismiss objections without addressing if they are factual.
I addressed them, you're not factual. White Americans recoil to the facts that they created and live in a society that upholds their supremacy.
Wow, this is an incredibly stupid comment.
If you simply looked at the history of Italian and Irish immigrants you would know so.
This is obviously false, as shown by the different reactions in Europe to immigration from countries within Europe, to those outside of Europe.
Nothing but heads-I-win-tails-you-lose bad faith arguments.
Well besides all that canal digging and train track building you know.
And even after all this oppression they managed to succeed.