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* Somebody (probably America) sabotaged the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline.
* That's related to the war in Ukraine because? wars are always about resources?
* The EU doesn't have any options to replace the gas that needs to come from Russia.
* That's going to drive all EU citizens back to an agrarian lifestyle.
* And also, the EU is too weak of an institution to defend its citizens.
One of the first results that comes up for me when I search "Nordstream 2" is the Brooking institute discussing similar conspiracy theories spreading among podcasters in the US, parroting the Kremlin: https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/u-s-podcasters-spread-k...
Blowing up an underwater international gas pipeline requires planning. Doing so in such a way that the public doesn't know about it in advance requires secrecy. The public not knowing the reason for blowing it up also requires ongoing secrecy.
Admittedly, I'm not the smartest person in the world, but this seems like a fairly cut-and-dried conspiracy to me.
* Somebody (probably America) sabotaged the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline. * That's related to the war in Ukraine because? wars are always about resources? * The EU doesn't have any options to replace the gas that needs to come from Russia. * That's going to drive all EU citizens back to an agrarian lifestyle. * And also, the EU is too weak of an institution to defend its citizens.The narrative will no longer be "Why did we get in bed with the Russians for our energy?" and instead will be "Too bad about the broken pipeline!"
Pipeline B of Nord Stream 2 is unscratched and can deliver 30 billion cubic meter of gas per year.
Gazprom now says that two of three "destroyed" pipelines are now in a stable condition hinting that they can be repaired.
Why would the US only destroy 1/4 of the pipelines?
Talking to them, there is a definite sense of pessimism, bordering on fatalism, about them. Some of this is reflected in salaries - skilled white collar workers get paid well on average in Europe, but their salaries haven’t kept pace with the rest of the world, including (and especially) America. Even as an Indian, most of my peer group makes similar wages as their European counterparts, without even factoring in purchasing power.
What I mean to say is that it might all seem to be crumbling down now, but the decline seems to have started a while back.
You're dressing up what at best is anecdotal evidence, and at worst heresay, with a long post that sounds mature and well thought out but it's not.
In reality, countries collapse in all kinds of different ways quite regularly.
We are not currently seeing a shortage of much, certainly things have gone up in price, but we do not have the shortages we had with Covid, there are no restrictions on what I can do and the war hasn't impacted me in any way, except that it is the thing on the news.
It is possible we will lack power for the winter, its also possible putin nukes somebody. Not likely.
It looks like a catastrophe in the making, and public opinion about say fracking or support for war sanctions might change when say grandmas start making the news for freezing to death due to prices/blackouts etc.
https://infosannio.com/2022/10/01/lamico-tedesco/
(Massimo Gramellini - corriere.it) - For anyone who feels like a citizen of Europe, it was sad to see proof that our German-speaking compatriot Olaf Scholz essentially thinks of his own comforts. Not content with having backed the Dutch comrade in turning a deaf ear (it must be said) to the request to put a ceiling on the price of gas, the chancellor of Berlin hijacked two hundred billion of the German budget on the German bills, with many greetings to whom - for example the Italian budget - those two hundred billion do not have them.
This is motivated article which speaks half-truths with the goal of casting events in a particular light to advantage Russian interests. I would dig further into the author's motivations.
That's factually incorrect. Germany said before the invasion, and followed through with it, that it would not allow NordStream2 to come into operation if Russia invaded.
Listen: Putin did start the war and caused most problems that are causing Europe's energy prices to skyrocket... but how can we just forget the order of event so quickly and start spreading fake claims when clearly it's not even necessary to make a point? Just say how it would be immoral to buy gas from Russia after the war was started regardless of consequences to the prices in Europe.
Russia decided to cut deliveries (long before February, even) until eventually cutting them completely. Germany‘s stated policy is to buy gas if Russia wants to deliver it.
A high IQ is neither a necessary nor sufficient defense against well-crafted Western propaganda efforts.
Hackernews falls for CIA talking points just as effectively as a Redneck falls for QAnon.
There should be no surprise here.
"It seems clear that for us there are no other ways out than a decisive shift toward renewables, already today much cheaper than fossil fuels and capable of completely replacing them. Politicians have not yet understood this, but moving to renewables would protect us from new crises of energy availability and from blackmail by producers. But it's not something that can be done overnight."
How many months/years of idling will it be before they go bankrupt or the owners decide to pull the plug?
This was clearly not in the US’s geopolitical interest.
The amount of war time propaganda on the Ukraine conflict has hit overdrive status and I would expect this article to “disappear” quickly.
There is little room to discuss the larger geopolitic situation. Instead a simplified narrative of
“Putin is an evil dictator invading a peaceful democracy and must be stopped at all costs”
And
“Ukraine is winning and will reclaim all territory including Crimea!!”
Is all that is allowed.
We in East Europe we knew all along that we need to get in NATO ASAP because Russia is actual evil and would not esitate to exterminate us just to take our land and resources, so fuck your Trumpan-Illuminati theories, the reality is in your face and you refuse to see it, Putin and Russia are evil, they will not hesitate to doe evil , US is not perfect but is not some super genius state where they played Putin as a stupid puppet all along.
Maybe we easter European are wrong, but for now we will curse Putin and Russia for all the shit is happening
Reminds me of the bit activity around election cycles.
Now your turn. Who other than the US benefits from this?
Who said it was enough?? What are you responding to?? Also, it was definitely ready to operate since September 2021, and that's why it was full at the time of the explosions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2
> German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who had been in favour of the project,[2] suspended its certification on 22 February 2022
> On November 16, 2021, European natural gas prices rose by 17% after Germany's energy regulator suspended approval of the Nord Stream 2
You can blame Putin for a lot of shit, but on this one, it was all Germany's fault.
If the plan is to come in later as the savior of an impoverished Europe then yes, he does need to blow it up. Shutting off the valves makes him the bad guy, and people will remember. Having it blown up by some unknown party, ideally the US, lets him pretend it was all out of his control and he's doing the best he can to help his dear friends in Europe.
Nothing in the world could make him not look like the bad guy in the west. Shutting/not shutting valves would change zero opinions of Putin.
- It militarized Rhineland, nothing happened
- It got Luftwaffe operational again, nothing happened
- It annexed Austria, nothing happened
- It was given Sudetenland, it was even encouraged by allies
- It annexed rest of Czechoslovakia, nothing happened.
- It started war with Poland, Allies declared war and then nothing happened.
- Only when Germany started to conquer Norway, Allies have finally started to wake up.
Pipes can be reconstructed, peace deals can be made and shut down gas fields can be reopened (looking at you Groningen).
> It really looks like some group wants EU all in, so we should be prepared for the worst possible outcome (WW3, some life remaining on the planet) if that's even possible.
Well if that happens it happens - what's your idea of preparing? To me a quick death sounds pretty good in such a case.
My guess southern hemisphere might have some chance of survival if SHTF so that's where I will be heading. Most people will die gruesome prolonged deaths from starvation, broken bones or radiation, only a fraction will be vaporized instantly.
Two cities have been nuked. They are thriving cities today. The planet has not been blown up. It is not a hellscape. Crops didn’t fail. Even the worst nuclear disasters have had very limited effect beyond their immediate vicinity.
Follow Dory’s advice: keep on swimming. The world is not ending this year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_nuclear_weapons_s...
Look I'm not saying it's an impossibility but I don't think it's very likely any time soon.
> Most people will die gruesome prolonged deaths from starvation, broken bones or radiation
Most people die a pretty shitty death from cancer / degenration / dementia. I can't see how you can escape that, it awaits us all .(btw why the south? Are they immune to nuclear winter / food shortages / climate change?)
Maybe I am overly pessimistic, but I've seen my share of corp/gov dysfunctionalities and nothing gives me any assurance current "leaders" would stop before blowing up the planet.
