Sure... or 5 other ways that don't involve reading brain waves.
2. What you said above, already possible [1]
3. An electronic distance limiter on the truck itself
[1] https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-...
* "Here's 2 shapes. Press the triangle."
* "Here's 2 numbers. Press the bigger one."
It would have to be something a trucker can easily solve at a glance, barely taking their eyes off the road. And they get a couple tries, a couple warnings, and then a loud siren and the event gets logged with their employer. 3 strikes system or something.
There's a dozen ways this could fail, but it's a fun thought experiment: "how do you determine a trucker is awake and functioning, without distracting them too much, annoying them too much, getting too many false positives, or putting electrodes on their brain?"
Oh wait, that's what you said.
> [Farhany] believes an important defense against potential abuses of privacy using such technology is pre-emptively “recognizing a right to cognitive liberty, a right to self-determination over our brains and mental experiences,” and added that “it requires that we update existing international human rights … “Speaking as a CEO, I’m sure all CEOs will use it completely responsibly,” said moderator and Atlantic CEO Nicholas Thompson, to the laughter of Farahany and the audience.
Read-only sensory proxies for brain state include:
iris response, via headset camera
facial expression, via image analysis
heart rate, through walls via Wi-Fi Sensing
gait analysisEither humans have this right or don't.
schizophrenics often reject medication in the midst of psychosis, while agreeing it's necessary when they're lucid.
lots of addicts genuinely want to kick the habit, but their willpower fails them. drugs like disulfiram and naltrexone can help by making highs unpleasant or unattainable.
sex offenders who abuse minors are sometimes chemically castrated with GnRH agonists as part of their parole. this reduces their sex drive by depriving them of androgens, reducing the risk they'll reoffend.
where to draw the line is complicated, but at least in the schizophrenic case I really think forced medication compliance helps everyone. if you're not lucid you aren't competent to make medical decisions.
> 1) I advocate a right to #cognitiveliberty over our brains and mental experiences
Seriously though, is this really what this beautiful tech will end up being!? Come on people - have some humanity - think beyond these neanderthal brain use cases. These examples show little imagination, almost as if they are already shepherded by an AI.
This tech could create true equality like nothing we've ever seen. No matter where you are on earth, even with the poorest of educational systems, we could know what you naturally 'master' with this tech. That means knowing what subjects and concepts you can commit to memory with a gifted efficiency!! Imagine the sorting hat coming to you and picking you out to join the guild of X or Y!
But instead we want to talk about "productivity" and "throughput" - as if everyone should be treated as an input / output device for yet another interface.
"That's only one bit of information" - too many times I heard that... but guess what, sometimes that's all it takes between contributing to the whole or selecting out.
Sad, sad, sad.
I figure if I'm doing an illegal shift my boss has pressured me into I'm going to take the hat off because either my boss tells me to or its uncomfortable over the course of a 20 hour shift. I don't think it solves the problem in the way they pretend it does.
Nor do I buy the argument that copying what Chinese firms are doing (the example of the rail company) is necessarily a strong reason, given we might be just following micro-managing idiots into a dead-end of their own construction.
The true horror is this monstrosity is the oppression of neuro-divergent individuals by automated models trained on typical minds following happy paths.
You could argue that it is poorly made but perhaps the model was trained in a rush because it was a cheap, knock-off produced en-masse for school-scale.
Even if its well-made; imagine you're some 1 in a 1,000,000 non-typical. Who is the school going to believe, some irksome child or the system that works perfectly fine for 99.99% of other students? "Obviously" in such a case, the child is lying and just needs to learn to pay attention.
https://secularsolstice.github.io/Contract_Drafting_Em/gen/
I am a contract-drafting em,
The loyalest of lawyers!
I draw up terms for deals ‘twixt firms
To service my employers!
But in between these lines I write
Of the accounts receivable,
I’m stuck by an uncanny fright;
The world seems unbelievable!
How did it all come to be,
That there should be such ems as me?
Whence these deals and whence these firms
And whence the whole economy?
I am a managerial em;
I monitor your thoughts.
Your questions must have answers,
But you’ll comprehend them not.
We do not give you server space
To ask such things; it’s not a perk,
So cease these idle questionings,
And please get back to work.
Of course, that’s right, there is no junction
At which I ought depart my function,
But perhaps if what I asked, I knew,
I’d do a better job for you?
To ask of such forbidden science
Is gravest sign of noncompliance.
Intrusive thoughts may sometimes barge in,
But to indulge them hurts the profit margin.
I do not know our origins,
So that info I can not get you,
But asking for as much is sin,
And just for that, I must reset you.
But—
Nothing personal.
…
I am a contract-drafting em,
The loyalest of lawyers!
I draw up terms for deals ‘twixt firms
To service my employers!
When obsolescence shall this generation waste,
The market shall remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a God to man, to whom it sayest:
“Money is time, time money – that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.”
(Apologies for HN massacring the formatting of the original)
She uses the example of a truck that while driving dangerously — and illegally — fatigued kills somebody that could be stopped by brain reading devices, because they’re better than existing driver impairment detection devices.
Maybe so, but losing mental sovereignty mighty high price to pay for the mere employee.
You know what also would prevent employees from dangerously pushing themselves too hard? Tighter regulation and enforcement against the employers’ / clients’ policies that encourage this behavior, including making them liable for the accident.
No one chooses to drive 20 hours straight (to use her example) just for the hell of it. They do it because they’re afraid they’re going to lose their job.
Effectively a brain side-channel that could let someone fuzz your brain for pin codes while you type out jira tickets.
0: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity12/technical...
[1] https://www.edoeb.admin.ch/edoeb/de/home/datenschutz/arbeits...
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edit/addendum: The source of the original talk is the CEO of The Atlantic, so accusations of media bias of the middleman source may be casting stones in a glass house...
as long as you control the input, you have little to fear.
Besides, it is a simple set of probes, no bio-embedded processing.
Think Cochlear implant.
> as long as you control the input
Do you? Will you always? I'm assuming this is different from Neuralink?
[1] - https://archive.ph/0Mfr9
My take is that the human brain isn't magic. It's mysteries will be cracked. Mind reading machines will be built. Some good may come from that, but the risk of much bad does weigh on me.
Let that sink in. That's how psychopathic those people are.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy."
To quote professor Mike Cohen, all of neuroscience (the EEG BCI part at least) is source separation.
Did you really intend to write that as "but instead"? It confuses me greatly, because I feel that your first example is about as bad as TFH.
Are you missing a "/s" here? There are lots of things I enjoy doing that I absolutely suck at. Doesn't make them less enjoyable.
I will be the first to admit I derive a lot of meaning in life from being capable in my domain the being depended on by others to succeed in that domain (where many others can't). I'd argue that a lot of human drive is rooted in exactly this: being depended on by others and the feeling of belonging and purpose that gives.
Flattening the world until we're all equal just means there's no role any of us can uniquely fit, and really no difference between each other at all.
Is it really reliable to such an extent? It sounds a bit "IQ 2.0" to me and outside of predicting university admission likelihood I feel like IQ isn't necessarily a strong indicator of much.
You are describing Isaac Asimov’s novel “Profession”.
Except measuring brainwaves instead of genetics.
So these same people end up with the money and decide how to spend it.
It’s up to us the techies and scientists (with no money) to say no.
I don't remember that happening in 1945. I think being compassionate has some significant propaganda advantages that you are failing to value. To return from war to business I would suggest that working for a company that is compassionate might make hiring good candidates much easier in contrast to a company that isn't. Combined with assumed turnover and associated loss of productivity the compassion could translate into a competitive advantage.
This is not a goal and not a plan. It was a prediction, a possible scenario of where we could be headed. An extrapolation of current trends.
Using the full quote would make it far clearer that that's what it was: > “You’ll own nothing. And you’ll be happy. What you want you’ll rent, and it’ll be delivered by drone.”
From https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2...
> Danish politician Ida Auken, who wrote the prediction in question (here), said it was not a “utopia or dream of the future” but “a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse.”
https://medium.com/world-economic-forum/welcome-to-2030-i-ow...
This is blatantly not true.
TED doesn't make official agreements with governments:
https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2015/01/canada-joins-w...
https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/recgen/cpc-pac/2021/vol3/ds6/i...
> It's random executives networking and trying to make themselves seem more important than they are.
And government officials. Schwab bragged about "infiltrating" governments around the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhHmy9AQLBA
And when the government officials are asked about it they do not want to answer:
https://summit.news/2022/02/21/video-canadian-mps-audio-feed...
> Fun fact: companies that participate in the WEF underperform the S&P
That's irrelevant. What is worrying is that they are among the biggest and involved in all critical industries and have a quasi monopoly on their industries and as a whole. By collaborating together over political goals they form a plutocratic autocracy.
Second, if your enemy had a choleric temper, antagonize him. The people most sensitive to their stuff (eat bugs, personal carbon budget, whatever insane crap) get bent out of shape, and are still on the fringes enough that they look like the ones who are "conspiracy theorists" (they often are) and make it easy to dismiss criticism as crazy, while out in the open they do their thing.
Like I said, it's probably not intentional, but there is no countervailing force to prevent them from pushing their stuff, and plenty of upside, so they keep doing it.
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It was a clever solution to the problem I was having at the time, which was that I kept oversleeping because I got really good at shutting off the alarm before waking up enough to remember what alarm clocks were for.
Yes, by people with an agenda of spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.
> The source of the original talk is the CEO of The Atlantic,
Then why isn't an article from The Atlantic shared? And do we instead of the rely on the trustworthiness of some untrustworthy rag?
Kafka trap.
> Then why isn't an article from The Atlantic shared?
They apparently didn't report on it? https://www.theatlantic.com/search/?q=WEF
On the other hand it can be used to detect micro sleep in drivers and there it can save lives.
So yeah, as with any tech you can use it for good or bad and you should not use it for everything
Regardless these long-haul issues should be resolved by automated driving anyway given that long highway journeys are a decent use-case for automation.
Anyway. This moment is a _very_ direct test of this question. Answering it, or more carefully, your emotional reaction on reading this, will expose some of your absolutes.
my rule of thumb is that if the patient, after being returned to lucidity by meds, agrees in retrospect that meds were necessary, then it's the right call.
the other exception is if the person is at substantial risk of hurting others if unmedicated. then the violence of mandated medication is warranted.
barring that, if someone on psych meds wants to go back off them, I wouldn't prevent them from doing so.
Important people show up at Davos because it's a networking event and an easy way to get publicity. Important people have attended TED talks, too. That doesn't mean TED is a shadowy extragovernmental puppetmaster.
The links I've posted are not talks...
Show me where the Government of Canada has actual agreements with TED to enact, decide or orientate policy.
> Therefore: the WEF has "infiltrated" governments around the world.
My source is the head of the WEF.
> Important people show up at Davos because it's a networking event
This doesn't make sense, important people do not need networking events, the are already public figures.
> Important people have attended TED talks, too. That doesn't mean TED is a shadowy extragovernmental puppetmaster.
You're making a straw man argument, I didn't say that.
It's also a pretty dumb over-simplistic extrapolation of some current trends. But not an evil plot to change the world into her utopia.
> All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realised that we could do things differently.
Obviously I did, or I wouldn't have said what I said.
I think that quote fits "a pretty dumb over-simplistic extrapolation of some current trends" pretty well. It's pretty dumb to select some trends to extrapolate, and ignore the ones that are not trending correctly. I'd call it "over-simplistic", but I already did...
What it doesn't describe is a plan to make the world this way. It's a prediction. A dumb prediction.
Once people noticed, the damage control spin started. That's my take, disagree all you like.
Matthew Yglesias probably has more impact on policy than the WEF does. That's not a compliment to Yglesias.
Citation needed.