Ask HN: Why is Google freaking out about ChatGPT

3 points by xfour 3 years ago | 10 comments

It seems like a recurring narrative is that this level of AI will disrupt Google and others, but why? Is it just because it will become easier to crest “shovelware” articles that will mess with uniqueness of pages, or a personal assistant type feature “Book me the best hotel in Phoenix” or something else?

xpe 3 years ago |

> It seems like a recurring narrative is that this level of AI will disrupt Google and others, but why? Is it just because it will become easier to crest “shovelware” articles that will mess with uniqueness of pages, or a personal assistant type feature “Book me the best hotel in Phoenix” or something else?

Yes. And lots more.

Part of Google's competitive advantage is a combination of real and perceived barriers to entry. ChatGPT has stretched what people think it possible. The degree to which such futures are feasible may be relatively less important at this point, since the excitement alone will drive a lot of investment.

To horribly mix metaphors, Google wants everyone to think their resources, mindshare, talent pool, and track record create a huge moat, so to speak. They want everyone to think the stone walls are steep and the risk of storming the castle is just too high. But perhaps the emperor has no clothes? Maybe the castle doesn't need to be stormed? Castles are drafty. Who wants to live there anyway? Maybe drafty castles provide nice cooling for server farms? Perhaps castles will just become a tourist attraction as new architectures are developed. But I digress. Maybe this gives some ideas?

xfour 3 years ago | |

I totally get your point, that was a fun metaphor.

kkoncevicius 3 years ago |

This snippet from an old interview seems to be relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeIIpLqsOe4

In words: Schmidt here is saying that Google returning lots of pages is a "bug" and the future of search is understanding what the user wants and providing a single best answer.

verdverm 3 years ago |

I'd be more worried about the problems Google outlined in their paper "Machine Learning: the high interest credit card of technical debt" (https://research.google/pubs/pub43146/)

Once more content is created with AI, and then AI is trained on it, we get this irreversible learning loop because you won't know who or what wrote your training data. It's that paper, but without the human in the loop any more.

xpe 3 years ago | |

Arguably society itself suffers from much of the same problem. Old ideas -- including -ways- of talking about and framing issues -- stick around longer than is necessary and useful.

arthurcolle 3 years ago |

If a really good, dynamic chat-like agent can answer your questions/queries and has been trained on some large, relevant subset of the Web, it kind of short circuits the whole "search engine" concept. Why would I want to have to shovel through pages of crap when I can have my ChatGPT AI bro just let me know the critical things I am asking about?

sds357 3 years ago | |

I wonder how this will play out long term.

Product review sites won't be worth it since there will be less reason for users to click through to your site. Google can put their affiliate code in the answer. Probably not a huge loss as most of these are seo spam sites anyway.

SAAS and service websites might be able to get better rankings then?

ninethirty 3 years ago |

Similar to Microsoft being threatened by the Internet -- isn't it logical to throw as many resources as possible at it -- to conquer the new frontier? Otherwise it might mutate into something you don't control that threatens your money-printer? GPT-4 is trained on 1000x data as GPT-3, so its going to get a lot more interesting.

sysadm1n 3 years ago |

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/20/technology/google-chatgpt...

dredmorbius 3 years ago | |

Title helps: "Google Calls In Help From Larry Page and Sergey Brin for A.I. Fight"

Discussed on HN yesterday, 479 comments: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34475784>