Canada's population reaches 40M(statcan.gc.ca) |
Canada's population reaches 40M(statcan.gc.ca) |
Canada is a wonderful country with a lot of places to visit, culture to experience, people to interact with - I visited there 5 years ago and was able to visit only a small part of such a beautiful country.
Now, they can (hopefully) deal with the issues that come along with increasing your population by millions per year, along with a lack of economic planning, though from what I hear and read, it seems like not a lot of headway is being made:
- Unaffordable housing to a large portion of Canadians (Condos sell in the more heavily populated parts of Canada for high 6-figures/millions of dollars)
- Unaffordable rent to a large portion of Canadians (A friend in Canada is paying around $1300 CAD a month for a 700sqft bachelor suite not including all utilities)
- Rampant inflation and opportunistic price-gouging from corporations
- The increased load on the already strained healthcare system, making Canadians wait up to 3-4 weeks to see their family doctor, and months/years for specialists.
- Monopolization and lack of competition in critical industries (Telecoms and Grocery come to mind as of late)
- Multiple allegations of Chinese interference in Canadian politics and foreign influence of active MPs that go seemingly ignored by the current party in power.
I'm unfortunately very serious.
This has alerted me to the (IMO, pretty surprising) fact that all of Canada holds fewer people than the BosWash corridor.
Istanbul, which is the biggest city in my home country Turkiye has these: Area: 5,343 (so 200x smaller) Population: 18M (official census is ~16M but even the major cites 18M)
I'm not even comparing the much denser places in the world (e.g., Gaza).
The north is what you normally think of Canada: rocks, trees and lakes. The south is similar to the neighbouring US states of Michigan, Ohio, and New York but with a distinct Canadian identity and a French region in the east.
Most of the population (13.4M) lives in the southern part (114,000 km^2)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City%E2%80%93Windsor_Co...
~6.954 (as of 2016 so actually higher) million of those 15m people live in 8,244 km^2 in the Greater Toronto Hamilton area, which works out to 843 people per square kilometer (vs 3368 for Istanbul).
Yes, 1/4 the density, yes, but nowhere close to the bizarre comparison you gave, where you used literally uninhabitable/barely-settled areas of the province (Ontario is huge and mostly rock and lakes) and compared to one of the densest cities in the world. At least compare urban area to urban area.
Toronto is the 3rd or 4th most populated city in North America, depending on how you count. Not some quaint arctic getaway. Also sits at the same latitude as e.g. Marseille in the south of France, or Florence in Italy. So not exactly northern at all.
Also if we restrict to just the actual technical city of Toronto proper, the density is higher than what you gave for Istanbul: 2,794,356 people in 630.20km^2 == 4435 people per square kilometer.
So... Check your biases at the door.
Mostly kidding but just like land doesn't vote, the size of land doesn't determine how many people live there.
http://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ca...
Interesting that there is apparently a population clock that model's Canada's population: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-607-x/71-607-x2018005...
See also the Century Initiative: https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/ to reach 100M by 2100.
750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years.
This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.
Look at the way Poilievre foams all apoplectic at the mouth about the BoC raising its rate (as if it's Trudeau's choice what that # is... but whatever) while at the same time blaming Trudeau for inflation. His boomer bosses need their mortgages to stay cheap and their housing prices to stay high, no matter what.
Canada is corrupt and eats its young.
I'd note that this number gets thrown around a lot, but it was <500k permanent residents, the 1 million figure includes >600k temporary work/study permits and asylum claims.
I'm not saying this isn't true but I'm having difficulties finding a reliable source for this.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_points_of_Cana...
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_points_of_U.S....
Doug Sanders (International-Affairs Columnist, The Globe and Mail) has a good book on this:
This is beyond farcical.
Unlikely. The parts of Canada that aren't settled (and aren't actually in or near the Arctic Circle) are that way not because of temperature, but because the soil is almost entirely unsuitable for farming: Either rocky Canadian Shield, or "swallows locomotives overnight" muskeg (plus infinite numbers of mosquitos).
>Would be funny if there is some canadian cabal trying to speed up global warming.
Canada will net benefit from global warming, yes, because the Northwest Passage will become navigable. But it is not true that temperature is the only thing keeping Canada from being able to support as many people as the US, which has almost identically sized geography.
Nobody’s building in the great wilderness above.
Capitalistically I would be interested to backtest the returns for a global macro fund that invested in countries with high immigration.
I live in New Zealand where ~30% of our population is people that were not born here (New Zealand is quite picky about who gets to come here, so we have less structural problems than some European countries that accept large numbers of refugees with little opportunity to filter for the most suitable people). New Zealand has been building housing at a fast pace to keep up with the ~50% increase in population over the “native” population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and...
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-...
[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/science-proves-kids-ar...
Edit: As expected, the Century Initiative is chaired by corporate lobbyists, and closely tied to Blackrock, that has massive investments in Canadian real-estate and would benefit from making housing more expensive:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative#Controversi...
Whether those levels of immigration can be sustained without causing social problems is not yet known. Certainly housing is extremely unaffordable and taxes are very high.
Fun fact, there are no luxury buildings. There's newer building and older buildings. The term luxury is just slapped onto marketing for new units being sold in new buildings. Why am I being so pedantic? Because people complain that "they only make luxury housing these days, we need affordable housing too!". Guess what, your parents' bungalow in the suburbs was likely marketed as luxury housing 50 years too.
https://marker.medium.com/the-dangerous-myth-of-luxury-housi...
Inflation make that 1.2 trillion worth less (and everyone elses money). It's a strategy. Trudeau doesn't control the rate directly but he is still sending out larger and larger cheques for votes and keeps spending on social programs and military spending like the money supply is unlimited. Having a second house means little when there are bigger paydays
Yes, because it also matters if we're talking about residencies (shelter) or residents (people).
Numbers are arbitrary to keep things simple:
start, 100 population, 40 residencies.
2018: Add 10, of which 2 are temp
2019: Add 10, of which 9 are temp
Assume no population losses. What's your current (2019) population? It COULD be 120, but not necessarily. We know it's at least 109 (100+8+1 permanent) so lets look at what happened to the 11 temps specifically.
Keep in mind temporarily granted residency typically needs to be renewed yearly if not more frequently. If one is in country for Jan-Apr and a second in July-November, then you had a net population gain of 0, a gross gain of 2, and a median gain of 1, and could have required 1 or 2 residences to accommodate them. 0 - 2 technically but lets assume we're doing our best to shelter people.
Then the question is, until you know what the 2019's 9 temp residents are going to do, you can't really call them a net gain for the purposes of talking trends of population. You can however use them when talking housing supply, as regardless of how long they're staying, they will be there at SOME point, and while there, yeah, they need a place to stay.
TL;DR: For this threads context, probably better to think of temps as "pending" residents.
Southwestern Ontario (Windsor/London) is very culturally and demographically different from Toronto/Golden Horseshoe and Eastern Ontario (Ottawa/Kingston)
Michigan is also culturally different from New York.
Michigan and Ohio are most similar to SW but upstate NY also bleeds culturally into the region, both around Niagara and the thousand islands.
I don't know that someone Thunder Bay/Sault Ste Marie is that culturally different from Barrie/Sarnia. Windsor to Ottawa is very different.
That 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border seems minimally related to culture differences and more geographic/economic.
Canada's TFR in 2020 was 1.4. https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/960-fewer-babies-born-c...
And the last time TFR was above replacement was in 1970. Meaning Canada has been at below-replacement fertility for more than 50 years.
Canada's population, however, has doubled since 1970. That represents an extreme amount of immigration.
Canadian immigration quotas are simply out of control, about 10x per capita what the US allows.
And it's just the beginning, apparently the current ruling party is planning to give amnesty and permanent residency to half a million illegal migrants in the coming year. [0]
It creates an interesting dynamic in tech.
Anecdotally, it seems there's a lot of Canadians expats here in the Valley and they don't seem too keen on returning. We've been getting a lot of international applicants (but work from home was supposed to mean Canadians could avoid moving to the "dangerous" US but work for American companies?).
Post 2016 the messaging from most commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) seemed to be that they were going to be the ones benefiting from a brain drain of Americans leaving the country. Canada was supposed to become an "AI Superpower" and its Universities were supposed to be where innovation was going to happen next due to the perceived hostility of the United States to foreign talent. Yet it seems the opposite happened. It's interesting, in retrospective, to see how wrong these predictions were. Top destination for Canadian nationals in Academia was, and still is... the US. Canada maintains a net brain drain to the US [1]
Canada sure had a lot of "talent" immigrate in the meantime, but from my observations it's mostly people who can't -and likely won't ever be able to- secure a US visa, mostly due to skills (there's a reason they immigrated to Canada, it's way easier). Some companies leverage this and have floors of international devs they park in Canada for a fraction of their US counterpart through a subsidiary. The city of Vancouver even bragged about its devs being worth 50K less than their American counterparts! [2]
I witnessed it first hand. Back when we opened a satellite location in Toronto. First thing people asked coming into interviews was about relocating to the US and if we could sponsor their visa. The demographics also skewed heavily toward recent immigrants to Canada. The irony was, the Toronto location was opened specifically to house developers that simply couldn't pass the higher bar for US immigration.
[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/immigration-ministry...
[1] http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-bra...
[2] https://globalnews.ca/news/4178326/amazon-vancouver-tech-wor...
I was born in Canada, and I would have preferred to stay. The country is a great opportunity for immigrants, but it’s an opportunity cost for me.
So even when using official numbers, the urban density of Istnabul is > 6000 according to Wikipedia.
ps: I live in Toronto, so I know Toronto is incomparably dense compared to other parts of Ontario. I could have made the same point by comparing Toronto's density to Ontario. Though, I'm curious how much of Ontario is uninhabitable. I thought most of it (say > 50%) seemed habitable.
I don't have the patience to go look this up, but obv it will clearly be below Istanbul, but likely about equivalent with most of the US atlantic region and maybe even parts of the UK etc.
Istanbul/Constantinople, ... a heavily populated city for like 2000 years, not to mention the region going back to the, uh, paleolithic and it's literally basically the origin of ... farming and settled agriculture. Kinda weird comparison.
What do you mean by "maybe"? Eastern Ontario contains the 4th largest metropolitan area in Canada (Ottawa) which is a very reasonable comparator, the density is 195/km.
Does this work with other vocations? Should spinsters not be allowed to teach or care for children? If you don’t own a car you can’t become a car mechanic?
Mortgages here were too cheap for too long. Really, what people "buy" when they buy a home is a mortgage, not a house.
They are not building housing or preparing for any increases. Are they expecting a population decline?
And to be afraid of mysterious "government agendas", when the real power is clearly corporate, even less accountable or transparent...
... judging from your comments, you've stepped over the threshold. I'm afraid reason won't reach you.
