Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F)(compart.com) |
Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F)(compart.com) |
Just look at the attention he is getting.
If you think Musk is somehow upset about this, you are wrong.
/s
Not saying I agree with his ownership style (I certainly don't), but if you become a CEO for a company owned by Musk, and are not expecting him to undermine and interfere, than you are fooling only yourself.
> Ms Yaccarino wrote on the platform that the rebrand was an exciting new opportunity.
> "Twitter made one massive impression and changed the way we communicate," she said.
No, seriously, does he think no one notices that the new X logo still hides the same old Twitter crap?
im not sure why this is of import either. blackboard X, so what?
Fwiw even prior to his defunding moderation it felt like one of the meanest places on the internet, I don’t see much of a change.
Few would argue that it works better now than before
> Perhaps its just that people don’t like his personality, I suppose it's more complicated:
- he promised "freedom of speech" and Twitter has rather become "freedom of hate"
- he is taking constantly controversial political positions, usually favoring dictators, and this doesn't resonate very well in the western world
Maybe people just wish he would have stayed the way he was: a sort of fascinating "Doc Brown" rather than yet another average billionaire pushing political ideas through his wealth and popularity.
Maybe in the social circles you stick to, but there are plenty of /other/ people (i.e. more than a "few") that are quite happy that the 80% of employees doing their jobs were let go. [1]
We accept speech we don't like to avoid this very trap.
Yeah, his personality is plenty objectionable too, but it's mostly the way he's seemingly intentionally running the company into the ground that I object to.
1) He's going to lose a TON of brand recognition overnight.
2) He seems to have gone from "I'm thinking about doing this" to "We're going live" over the course of a weekend. This is both rushed and more based on reaction than actual thought and research. I don't see any of his customers wanting this.
3) Morale for employees there already seems to be terrible. Having them implement a rebrand over a weekend on a whim makes him seem like a dictator.
4) From a practical perspective the name X is foolish. The word "tweeted" is a verb used every day on the news. Companies would kill to have that level of their product within the culture. Now they will say what? "exed"? No one will say that because the audience won't know what it means and it has the negative connotation of something you've moved away from (ex-husband, ex-girlfriend, etc.).
It was losing $4 million per day.
There’s no moral or ethical basis to not consider his personality when evaluating Twitter, and even if you have one I’m not obligated to share it.
You don’t have to understand things for them to still be valid! To me, he’s an offputting guy doing a bad job, and those two things are valid to consider when thinking of his company according to my moral values. That’s subjective, but it’s clearly a view that many share with me.
They’ll attack anyone who tells them the actual truth, and end up surrounded by those who either can’t see the truth (due to incompetence or delusion), or are willing to actively lie about it (manipulators). By process of elimination, if not by active choice.
"You either die a hero, or live to see yourself become a villain."
Far too many icons outlive their hero phase, and it's kind of depressing.
Edit: Or rather, the hero phase fails to live long enough to outlive the person.
The meanest place on the internet is EJMR, the forum economists use to find job offers. Not joking.
The reason for this is unclear except that it's the most conservative social science.
Oddly enough, he tends to favor hate groups and dictators: “Twitter’s compliance with government demands for censorship or surveillance has risen [during Musk’s tenure] to over 80%, from around 50%.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/elon-musk-...
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna81961
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speec...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zm9q/elon-musk-twitter-naz...
edit: using proper typography.
'Matt Taibbi, a journalist who worked on the “Twitter Files” series of articles about old business decisions at Twitter, has said he’ll no longer use the social media platform. Taibbi is apparently frustrated by Twitter’s recent decision to heavily restrict all links and tweets about Substack following that company’s announcement it would be launching Substack Notes, a short form social network and potential competitor to Twitter. Any Twitter user who even tries to retweet a post from Substack is met with a notification, “some actions on this Tweet have been disabled by Twitter,” a move that has angered many users, including Taibbi.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/04/07/twitter-fi...
Not specifically. That's why I linked to content from him, and not his profile page.
It’s always been more as a promoter and image seller, but he has also been willing to make big calls and take risks others won’t which has allowed them to grow. That is valuable. And he has been hands on in some areas sometimes in ways that have been instrumental in shaping things. For better or worse.
He’s far from perfect. But no one is, and honesty is important.
I suspect the big issue here is something typical of narcissists - he’s gotten older, and he can’t keep up his game convincingly enough anymore to fool a large enough percentage of the public, so he’s downward spiraling. And internally he can feel it, which makes it worse.
It would explain a lot, especially the often bizarre and destructive attacks on anyone who says anything he doesn’t like. The over the top edgy/controversial behavior to get reactions, etc.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/delisted/TWTR/twitter/ebi...
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/delisted/TWTR/twitter/num...
As for justifying layoffs, Twitter (or X, or whatever it is) seems to be working just fine, despite the dire predictions that the whole thing was going to die within days.
No matter what the actual number was, it's clear that Twitter was wasting one hell of a lot of money.
H + 1 = I
A + 1 = B
L + 1 = M
Man, BQN is a clever name. Because,
A + 1 = B
P + 1 = Q
L + 1 = M...
...well crap. That theory didn't pan out at all. Needlessly disappointed myself upon hearing that it's short for "Big Questions Notation".
Anyone else want to try to copy/paste into the new Windows Terminal? It does appear to work fine on MacOS under Tabby (terminal).
In Latex, you get these symbols with \mathbb{}. They are most commonly used to represent to represent number sets, like the set of all integers Z (from the German), set of all natural numbers N, set of complex numbers C, set of all real numbers R, rationals Q (for “quotient”), set of quaternions H (named after Hamilton), or an unknown set F (for “field”). This explains why many of the letters in this series exist in the basic multilingual plane—because R is very commonly used, but A is not. You can find ℝ in the basic multilingual plane at U+211D.
I don’t know why people are interested in the X symbol. It’s just there to complete the alphabet. There are many other ranges like this used for writing mathematical formulas, like the range of bold letters, fraktur, script, etc.
However, it's also exactly identical to Unicode character 1D54F - because that's all it is. And if you examine the full "X" logo in detail, you'll notice that the scratch in the background doesn't reach the X because all the logo creator did was put U+1D54F in a black square and slap it onto the backdrop. It's the epitome of laziness.
https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2023/07/24/twitter_...
> Apple's adaptation of the [⌘] symbol — encoded in Unicode at U+2318 — was derived in part from its use in Nordic countries as an indicator of cultural locations and places of interest.
> ...
> She was browsing through a symbol dictionary when she came across the cloverleaf-like symbol
https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1683150433806692352
Correction to my previous reply: @ajtourville designed the thicker X logo below for our (now discontinued) @OfficialXPod. The thicker logo was inspired by a font he found online (bottom right). I created the video above using the font logo, adding a glow and little lines in the logo to make it look “imperfect."
https://twitter.com/ajtourville/status/1683151957723160576
Correct. This is the logo I designed and, if @elonmusk wants, he can have it for free.
Maybe I haven't had enough coffee, but the allegedly "designed" thicker X, "inspired by a font [Alex] found online", seems to be exactly the unicode 𝕏, but bold? And this Alex guy is taking the credit for designing it?
[1] https://home.unicode.org/adopt-a-character/about-adopt-a-cha...
Wait, do they mean their public X feed?
Been looking what the "opf" in the `𝕏` HTML entity name of this kind of character means, and apparently it is "Open Face".
It is referenced at [wikipedia Blackboard bold] that mentions that "𝕏 Occasionally used to denote an arbitrary metric space. "
[w3.org Math Double struck]: https://www.w3.org/Math/characters/double-struck.html [wikipedia Blackboard bold]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard_bold
look at these beauties..
https://www.fontspace.com/category/blackboard-bold
transatlantic cruise is super swell
Audio, Video, Messaging, Payments and AI, all in a single product pitch.
I guess then "X" is an appropriate brand for something that even the owner doesn't know WTF is about.
You can do anything at X.com, anything at all!
It seems like, if you're making something flexible enough to handle payments, various social and interactive services, and yet somehow fall short of being a full web browser, haven't you just reinvented Prodigy for the 2020s?
I assume at this point it largely runs on momentum in a Facebookesque way-- it no longer has to be particularly food at any given service because the sheer mass of its userbase will make it a major player in every market it goes near.
But that doesn't explain initial success. Was it catapulted by a specific environmental condition (i. e. they got zero-rated at a point where mobile data was too expensive to just choose random websites to browse?) or a dramatically better ergonomic experience?
Of course, while a search engine could conceivably index and search the entire Unicode codespace internet wide, such a task would likely be somewhat unrealistic and provide only limited upside.
[0] https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/110768919254064477
They can probably trade mark it for social media (unless someone already has), but are highly unlikely to be able to trademark it broadly, which clearly is the intention.
They could also apply for multiple trademarks with small additions if they launch a new product:
𝕏ₚₐᵧ
We're going to see a trend of companies using Unicode characters for their logo now aren't we?...
It's the new symbol for and domain name of the social? network formerly known as twitter.
That said, in principal everyone is free to call their spaces how they like. It just makes it easier to read if one sticks to familiar notation.
Heh.
The "tabs vs spaces" debate of mathematical typography is whether these symbols should be used at all in printing, or reserved for actual blackboards. In LaTeX you can have actual boldface letters, so you should write a boldface letter R to represent the real numbers and so on. Using "blackboard bold" in print looks terribly off to some (many?) people.
Almost [1] every single student absolutely hates that notation in scripts. Bold is used to draw attention, it should not be abused as being part of the variable/type. Just use the proper symbol.
[1] And I'm only saying "almost" to account for the possibility of there being like 5 super weird people on this planet that think otherwise. I don't know a single person who thinks this is a good idea, even the professors writing their scripts like that think it's stupid and are only doing it due to some nonsense fear of it otherwise not printing correctly due to one single bad experience with a shitty printer in 1950. Or maybe there's some other historical reason for this, but in 2023 I'd classify not using the better notation as malicious.
Why use the wrong symbol, when you can just use the correct (ie, blackboard bold) symbol?
It seems like one approach might be something like this, assuming none of them are doing it already. If this is TLDR, the key feature relating to the topic at hand is the point about handling mathematical symbols, so skip everything except that one.
* Pre-parse the entire page and count the number of characters that would be read using a multi-word description. While doing this, create sub-counts of characters that fall into each Unicode script (Latin, Cyrillic, mathematical notation, etc.).
* If the number of characters that would be read using a multi-word description exceeds a user-specified threshold, prompt the user for how to proceed.
* First, tell the user how many different Unicode scripts (and blocks if necessary[2]) are contained on the page. For each set, prompt using the following logic if the user hasn't already set a default:
** If a script/block/whatever consists of abstract symbols, like the mathematical set, offer to read it using the closest approximation in the character set it's derived from. e.g. for 𝕏, read it as "X" instead of "mathematical double-struck capital X". Read both 𝜸 ℾ as "gamma" instead of their lengthy "mathematical..." descriptions.
** If a script/block/whatever represents a spoken language, offer to do one of the following:
** Read it as if spoken by someone fluent in the language.
** Precede it with "the following [n] [script name] characters" and read each one individually, without any leading per-letter indicators, e.g. for "ΑΒΓΔ", "the following four Greek characters: alpha, beta, gamma, delta". Optionally include per-letter capitalization indication, but only if the user has previous enabled that option.
** Replace it with a count and the script name, e.g. "five hundred characters of Chinese script". Provide a way for the user to interrupt the narration and expand that section instead of omitting it.
* Allow the user to store all of the prompt answers as defaults and not prompt them again unless the user resets the option. e.g. "always read mathematical symbols as the closest Latin letter approximation".
* Maybe remind the user that it is an option in edge cases like "this entire page would be read as 'a series of 53,198 symbols you've suppressed reading'".
[1] One of my first full-time jobs, decades ago, was doing UI development with a focus on accessibility.
[2] Pretty unbelievable that the Unicode consortium has taken the position that an apparently unlimited number of stylistic variations on Latin letters should get their own Unicode renditions, but that basically every other culture's character sets gets merged into one style of character even if there are extensive historical reasons to have different renderings, and also has the time to keep adding corner-case emojis, but can't be bothered to provide a single way to easily differentiate "Cyrillic" from "Latin" as well as differentiate "mathematical notation" from "Latin".
The central theme of this paper is the variational analysis of
homeomorphisms $h \colon \mathbb X \xrightarrow []{{}_{\!\!\mathrm
{onto}\!\!}}\mathbb Y$ between two given domains $\mathbb X ,
\mathbb Y \subset \mathbb R^n$.It’s not like Apple’s corporate logo was scanned from a Swedish symbol dictionary by some random person who passed it off as their work. Which is effectively what happened to X-Twitter.
What does this mean?
I've tried finding various images of the X logo on news sites and twitter.com itself and I don't see anything resembling a "scratch in the background" but maybe I'm just missing something obvious.
whois xn--971h.com returns the same thing as an unregistered domain.
Would be funny to buy it and make a redirect to threads.net.
Also https://xn--vm8a.com which is on sale for $91M
edit - i looked up the whois, just because it's parked at godaddy doesn't mean it's for sale
Name: XN--U1A.COM
Internationalized Domain Name: х.com
Registry Domain ID: 106236037_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Domain Status:
clientDeleteProhibited
clientRenewProhibited
clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited
curl: (6) Could not resolve host: xn--971h.com
$ curl 𝕏.com
<html>
<head><title>400 Bad Request</title></head>
<body>
<center><h1>400 Bad Request</h1></center>
<hr><center>cloudflare</center>
</body>
</html>I spent a long time in the mid-90s trying to persuade INTERNIC to let me register b.com.
The X.Org Foundation might need to do the same for their X logo even though it's a bit different (and I'm not sure if it's trademarked in the first place).
IANAL, but you do need to defend a trademark in order to maintain it after all.
Of course fighting to protect it would probably be costly and financially risky even if they did have a case.
You can find many old and new math texts using either convention. Most often readers won't even notice. There are authors who are adamant against blackboard bold, most famously Donald Knuth and Jean-Pierre Serre. Others simply use regular boldface because of tradition, or because it's the default style of the journal. Most people don't care too much. But I have also heard people expressing strong opinions on each side, that's why I made the analogy with tabs-vs-spaces. Nothing too serious.
Elegance is entirely subjective. I have the opposite opinion: if we can do real boldface in print, which is the original usage, what's the point of using a black-board version? We have the real thing! But I also understand the opposite opinion, voiced elsewhere in this thread, that open bold lettering is a new case, like italics or fraktur, and we can use it freely in print.
But there is certainly some dependency on the font. For example, the Baskerville used by the Publications de l'IHÉS is a much thicker font, and the bold letters flow very naturally. Look for example here
http://www.numdam.org/item/PMIHES/
The publications in the sixties and seventies, which are scanned, are very beautiful and the bold letters mix smoothly in the text. You cannot see them "from far away" as happens with Computer Modern.
Curiously, the modern pdfs look slightly different, with apparently thinner fonts. This may be an effect of printing, that smears the ink a bit and produces slightly thicker type?
https://www.verisign.com/assets/icannrestricted/idn-icann-re...
To the degree that ASB is “rewarded” with any feedback at all, even negative, then it will be reënforced.
Enjoying the attention of others is socially acceptable in some situations. However, an excessive need for attention can lead to difficulties in interpersonal relationships. However, as a tactical method, it is often used in combat, theatre (upstaging) and it is fundamental to marketing. One strategy often used by teachers and behavior analysts to counter various types of attention-seeking behavior is planned or tactical ignoring.
This is the trump situation all over again. They hate him but they write articles about him every day and make sure we all know what he's up to even when we are actively trying to avoid him and twitter.
Search engines for CJK languages do tend to work at the character level so a search for “Sona” on a certain site run by (I think) Chinese people will turn up result for “Persona”.
I was involved with an A.I. startup where we had lots of meetings about what to do about all the strange Unicode characters and right now in Mastodon there is a lot of concern that screen readers will choke on 𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 while it doesn’t seem that difficult to squash them down to ordinary characters or treat them exactly as <b>unicode bold characters</b>
Convincing a dozen or so screen reader developers to deal with this is an achievable goal. It is much much much harder to bring millions of twitt...X users to change their typographic habits.
curl should especially live with a punycode version.
Unless the punycode from the OP is incorrect? From basic online tools, it looks like it simply converts to x.com
$ curl http://𝕏.com -v
* Trying 34.102.136.180:80...
* Connected to 𝕏.com (34.102.136.180) port 80 (#0)
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Host: x.com
> User-Agent: curl/8.1.2
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
They're both the results of a sad man's extremely public midlife crisis, so yes.
Do they? Why?
I don't see how it did any harm, and people are way more willing to admit an association with Meta than with Facebook.
After about a year “Meta” had the same stink of death around it as NFTs and I figured I’d be doing it no favor by calling it by its preferred name.
Though speaking of while trawling the wiki page on Alphabet....
> X (formerly Google X) is an American semi-secret research and development facility and organization founded by Google in January 2010.
Unicode already contains exactly it, it's a mathematical/scientific symbol, even if they did get the trademark in that category (which I doubt) they will never be able to enforce it. With trade marks, if you don't successfully protect them, you loose them.
𝕏 is a pre-existing symbol used by, and part of a standard character set for, software. You could probably get a trademark on it for a company selling apples, but I highly doubt you could for a software company.
Or to any number of business domains. See the trademark registration for "Wagatha Christie":
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00...
> On July 5 2017, Musk repurchased the domain name X.com from PayPal
They even took a little jab at him when it happened
> "We are delighted to sell the domain x.com back to its previous owner"
Throwing 44 billion dollars on a company and then gutting it for everything that was valuable including a unique brand that had even its own verb?
But the sad reality is probably that a 12 years old narcissist edgelord in the body of a billionaire wanted a vanity plate.
Best-case (for him), Twitter as we knew it dies and he manages to turn the burnt-down ashes into something profitable enough to overcome that hurdle. Twitter per se cannot reasonably get out of the hole he's dug for it.
Though, arguably, the brand itself was a huge part of the value, and he just threw that in the trash.
You know a guy's going down a weird path when all defenses of his behavior amount to "I know the last twenty things he's done have looked insane and none of it's made any money, but he's got a secret genius plan, I swear! 5D chess!"
The theory of Elop destroying Nokia (consumer) makes sense, because he was at Microsoft, went to Nokia sold it to Microsoft at diminished value and stayed there for a good amount of time. But who would pay Musk for this? And how will he be compensated? Afaik, he's lighting a bunch of his own money on fire. Although, there has been a lot less news from him on Tesla and SpaceX, so maybe it was all a plan to keep him out of those spaces.
"used by" is pretty debatable. Its a fairly obscure character. I don't think being in unicode by itself is sufficient enough to count.
On the other hand, Wikipedia[1] agrees with you, that 𝕏 is "occasionally" used for metric spaces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackboard_bold
Summary: boldface came first, in print, and was widely used. Much later, some mathematicians started to write blackboard bold on blackboards (because actual bold would be very untoward to write on a blackboard). Then, the usage was backported to print.
I find it ugly, a sort of breaking "suspension of disbelief", I don't know how to explain why. Some sort of "anachronistic" feeling, like watching a movie about the roman empire and some soldiers wear watches.
EDIT: as for having "different symbols", this is not the case. They are exactly the same symbol, with different faces. Like when you write the letters "a" or "g" very different on a blackboard as they appear on print.
Italic typefaces were created by Italian type designers to mimic the cursive handwriting of the time. They weren't meant to be mixed with roman style typefaces. However, typesetters who had access to both roman and italic fonts started to use italic for emphasis when typesetting texts in roman type.
And of course blackletter is also just a style that originally tried to mimic earlier handwriting.
See: the entire Latin alphabet.
Sans-serif symbols for screens, serif symbols for print.
Changing it to X is something some edgy teenager would do. I can't help but wonder if he's trying to destroy twitter on purpose.
Twitter as a brand becomes less valuable the more he alters it, since he's such a polarizing figure, so changing the brand to break continuity seems pretty counterproductive. It just reminds people that Elon is still fiddling with it.
I think he just thinks he’s getting his revenge and that everyone will see how his terrible idea of x.com was actually genius back in the day. Like a particularly expensive midlife crisis. A bit like some dudes who start playing guitar because they could not back in the day, when it was a useful tool to make friends and look cool.
Yeah I wonder if he "sold" it to Twitter, and if so, for how much.
Not even kidding. https://apnews.com/article/twitter-x-logo-blue-bird-musk-068...
> In response to questions about what tweets would be called when the rebranding is done, Musk said they would be called Xs.
ⅈ and ⅉ can be basis vectors or imaginary units although I’ve never seen them in blackboard bold in my lectures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifteen_Decisive_Battles_o...
The point is to be understood.
Use blackboard bold when it’s what people are most familiar with and will engender the least confusion.
You call this the “tabs vs spaces” debate, but I’ve literally never heard anyone advocate your position until you did, just now.
Many mathematicians concerned by typography use real boldface. For example: Terence Tao's blog, Donald Knuth, Paul Halmos (author of "how to write mathematics"), and the famous journal "Publications Mathématiques de l'IHÉS" which is the undisputed gold standard in mathematical typography. They use real boldface for the number sets N, Z, Q, T, R, C.
I've never seen a boldface R to mean a set different than the real numbers.
BB is common, in my experience, in hand-written text where bold isn't really an option. It is, to my tradition, the most common and recognizable way to indicate the most common field sets and also generally is a good stand-in for any "large category" of interest.
Bold is used intermittently in my experience, probably due to its inability to be hand-written. To me, it tends to mean "vector" or "matrix" much more than set. In hand-written forms, I sometimes see "arrow hats" instead, especially for vectors.
It is? Do you have any supporting evidence for this claim?
I just had a look at a bunch of recent articles, and I would very much dispute it. I saw nothing extraordinary, and found the fonts they used rather ugly (though of course that is highly subjective). The use of bold face to highlight theorem/definition/etc. numbers is IMHO very questionable. The boldface letters you praise stick out like a sore thumb, feeling as if they were being emphasized and highlighted when they clearly are not meant to be.
I don't have any evidence to support this claim. I always thought about it as self-evident, because it was in that journal that Grothendieck published his work, and the same style is used in by the legendary Hermann editor from Paris and by Bourbaki. But I cannot find any non-partisan source of my claim. As for non-neutral sources, you have for example the congratulations on the typesetting by Dieudonnée [0] (who was a member of the IHES), or a more recent article by Haralambous about the Baskerville variant used by the institute [1]. I will retire my claim of "undisputed" if you find a source that says that the pinnacle of mathematical typesetting is something else :)
[0] https://expo-patrimoine.ihes.fr/?page=9&lang=en
[1] http://www.numdam.org/item/CG_1999___32_5_0/
You also have this semi-anonymous blog post [2], that laments the decline in quality when the journal in question was acquired by Springer. Quote:
> How good was the typeface? It was so good, some people submitted their papers to IHES precisely for the beauty of the typesetting
[2] https://www.galoisrepresentations.com/2014/08/15/the-decline...