Urban humans have lost much of their ability to digest plants(arstechnica.com) |
Urban humans have lost much of their ability to digest plants(arstechnica.com) |
But I've also come to the conclusion humans are facultative carnivores, that plants have always been a fallback food.
Highly processed foods and use of prescription drugs (especially antibiotics) come to mind. I could see both of those being different for rural vs urban populations and would likely have some impact on microbiomes.
Similarly having camels with cattle does this, since camels naturally have gut bacteria of value they pass it on through shared water.
Once thing I noticed going from sharing a beer with our goats to soft drink, beer being a brown bottle, soft drink being clear there would be a lot of cud in the bottle.
Of course in modern society digesting plants more efficiently is bad. More energy makes you fatter and roughage is good.
Also for the initial point of humans being facultative carnivores, it doesn't track with our origins from primates.
I've been around the block with diets, after my own health concerns, and, 15 years in, I have not seen any consistency in recovery with a vegan of vegetarian diet, let alone by avoiding red meat.
I have consumed carnivore-diet related content for years at this point, and I have not seen a single person go from carnivore back to plant-centric. Not a single person.
YouTube if awash with anecdotes of people recovering with a carnivore diet, not so much with others. There is something to it. Here's just one channel with such interviews, you don't have to watch any of them, just scroll through the titles: https://www.youtube.com/@zerocarb.
I've seen people who went from no-meat -> meat and back to no-meat, so it's your anecdotal experience versus mine.
Give me an authoritative source and then we can have a discussion about the science behind it, if not we are just stuck in this discussion that won't lead anywhere, I've just challenged your anecdote, I have not said it's not true for some people, I have not diminished your experience but it's your experience...
> There is something to it.
There might be but I don't want to live in a world where anecdotes count as authoritative source for anything, it's a signal, not a conclusion.
Again, I'm glad for your experience, just don't try to peddle it as enlightenment.
And lastly, there's no way for the whole world to be able to support to eat as much meat as you are proposing, it's simply not possible, so perhaps understanding what mechanism might be behind these anecdotes so the people who can benefit from it have access to their necessities rather than pushing it into as a general truth that won't be sustainable with current technology, it's a disservice to you and others in your situation to push meat-eating as a cure-all for everyone, it is not.
It doesn't track that we are not able to live like that. A cat can't, a dog can't, humans can and do.
ok so now I the agenda is clear, I'm discussing health, nothing else, "don't speak truth that's inconvenient"
So your dog analogy also does not track [0].
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/apr/13/vegan-d...