Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany(theguardian.com) |
Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany(theguardian.com) |
I totally agree. It is, however a flawed argument in the context of legalization. One of the arguments for the legalization by the health ministry is that prohibition has been ineffective, factually not avoiding or even reducing (excess) weed consumption (among minors). Prohibition has criminalized many people for their consumption (via necessary circumstances such as possession), at the same time often denying help to those consumers who needed it.
The goals of drug policy should be: - help consumers to avoid or treat harmful consumption, especially minors - do not criminalize adult citizens who do no harm to others
Neither of these goals have been achieved by prohibition. Legalization is not going to help on the first point either, but might make it easier.
In the context of the second point: prohibition has been a nasty vehicle for arbitrary, often racist policing. Given that prohibition is not realistically possible in full consequence, the inherent tools of criminalizing alleged drug users are often applied to specific groups only, often for racist motives. Throwing around cocaine at the company party of your startup will hardly be punished, whereas the immigrant neighbor ends up in jail for smoking a joint.
Either it's okay for adults to consent to activities that don't harm others or its not. People should have the right to choose what to do with their bodies, and the legal system should have to ability to disincentivize antisocial behavior in ways that are productive i.e. that actually reduce it.
The antisocial behavior is not people selling/smoking a joint or having/selling consensual sex -- and while it might be associated with them, the government should be tackling those other, actual problems instead.
It also imbues and latches itself onto to whatever is around you. Now legalization has people smoking it in my apartment complex or at restaurants and the smell just lingers around my house or on your clothes when your near it.
And then Every weed smoker I brought this up to told me tough luck.
Tough luck.
I also dislike coffee breath, cigarette smoke, the smell of energy drinks, cinnamon chewing gum, perfumes, beer, dog shit, fertilizers, some garden flowers, car exhausts, ...
But on the bright side, there will be more variety in weed strains. They do smell differently. Some really are nasty, some are very pleasant. I absolutely love the smell of hashish, but I guess that's still gonna be rare.
In any case nobody cares what you think, about MJ, sorry but not sorry. If this were true we wouldn't have highly deadly/poisonous substances such as alcohol around.
But ooo man the moral panic over plants nature provides
It all just screams fake moral outrage to keep people buying man-made vices
At the same time, I strongly hope that the cannabis smokers will be considerate of the people around them. It is quite a foul smell if you are not partaking yourself.
healthy skepticism seems in short supply thou
it's definitely necessary, no one should talk to cops
The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on.
However, I do support the legalization of cannabis, as scientific evidence suggests that can reduce crime and reduce attractiveness of it as a kind of "forbidden fruit", and I think it'd be wrong to criminalize those people who were too curious for their own good. There also seem well-attested cases for medical use.
Zwischenrauchgenusserlebnisgrünblattsorte (Inter-smoke-enjoyment-green-leaf-variety): Das ist für die Zwischendurch Raucher. Machst du happy ohne zu viel Trubel. Gutes Grünblatt!
Wolkenkuckucksheimtraumwolkenpuff (Cloud-cuckoo-land-dream-cloud-puff):Dieses bringt dich hoch, hoch, bis zu den Wolken! Man träumt schön und fühlt sich wie im Märchenland.
Glückseligkeitsgefühlsauslöserkraut (Happiness-feeling-trigger-weed): Einmal puffen und du bist im Glückseligkeits-Himmel. Alles fühlt sich super an.
Gedankensprunghochflugblütezeit (Thought-leap-high-flight-blooming-time): Für die Kreativen Köpfe! Deine Gedanken machen Sprünge und fliegen hoch – Boom, Ideen überall!
Entspannungswunderwirkungsgewächs (Relaxation-miracle-effect-plant): Mega Entspannung garantiert. Nach einem Zug, alles ist chillig. Wie ein Wunder!
Lachanfallverursachendeswundergras (Giggle-fit-causing-wonder-grass): Vorsicht, Lachkrämpfe vorprogrammiert! Mit Freunden rauchen und der Spaß hört nicht auf.
Seelenruhigbalsamblattgenussmittel (Soul-calm-balm-leaf-enjoyment-substance): Deine Seele wird super ruhig. Stress? Welcher Stress? Alles easy.
Tiefenentspannungsnaturgenusserlebnis (Deep-relaxation-nature-enjoyment-experience): Bringt dich runter auf die Erde. Natur pur, tiefenentspannt und glücklich.
Kreativitätsschubgrünblattinspiration (Creativity-boost-green-leaf-inspiration): Künstler? Musiker? Hier kommt deine Inspiration! Kreativitätsschub im Anflug.
Wolkenreitertraumwiesengenusskraut (Cloud-rider-dream-meadow-enjoyment-weed): Fühl dich wie auf einer weichen Wiese, fliegend durch die Träume. Totaler Genuss!
Is there anything blocking the rest of EU from legalizing cannabis in this manner, aside from internal (national) politics? Whenever this topic comes up in our country, it's always met with opposition claiming that it would be against the EU regulations, or international treaties, or some other external blocker that we can't control.
These reasons sound like a stall tactic given that a few EU countries have managed legalization thus far, but I'm not familiar with the relevant laws. Do they have any legitimacy to them?
Whilst the majority of users seem to be fine, it can absolutely and seriously ruin some people's mental health.
For example, if in 2025 the CDU/CSU and SPD form the new goverment (a constellation that has happened already a few times), I'd say chances are high that cannabis is going to be illegal again. And this turnout is a relatively probable scenario.
> Whilst the majority of users seem to be fine, it can absolutely and seriously ruin some people's mental health.
I never doubt that marijuana can negatively affect certain people with the potential for mental health issues, but are there any hard science about the affect on mental health? You mention "majority" vs "some". Is that 51/49? 99.99/.01? The former sounds significant; the latter sounds like a stat to push an agenda.
I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.
I think almost everybody can enjoy it, perhaps in the top 5% of safest drugs of all (cannot die from any amount, no interactions I know of, no hangover). I think it will replace alcohol as people learn to have a good time with it.
- Start small. (.5mg THC : 1.5 CBD would be reasonable).
- Start with higher ratios of CBD to THC to make sure you have a good time. Basically the amount of THC is the amount of trippiness/woah/anxiety and the CBD is the amount of calmness. Dispensaries will give consistent product, in terms of labeling the ratios and those ratios being correct.
- Give 90-120 minutes for an edible to kick in.
- If you're already an anxious person do it in a place you can feel totally comfortable and safe
- Maybe have some pure CBD oil (purchasable at most grocery stores) to dial the whole thing back if it becomes too much. It won't make you sober, but it will help stop you mind from "racing" (whether from THC/anxiety/whatever). Also a great cure for headaches.
- I don't recommend it if you're underage, or if your brain feels too haywire. I do recommend it for people who are overly-intense nerds who would join the CIA and find the world very black-and-white.
- If you have a nice place where you can eat some healthy food, stretch outside in the sun, listen to birds, without fear of being bothered by cops / whatever, then that sounds like a great time. Maybe bring along a very trusted friend. It won't make you have a good time, but a lot of things you already enjoy will feel more enriching.
- There's a bunch of other standard advice online too (hydrate, etc, all important).
- Everybody reacts differently, don't let anybody else's preferences override your own. Do the amount you want of what you want, only when you want. Never push it onto people, even if you love it, and don't hang out with people who push.
That above description is overpreparation for something that you might not even notice the first time you have it, but it's kind of like skiing, better to start slow -- if you've got time on your hands it's better to be patient -- otherwise it's entirely possible to have a bad time quickly (particularly for nerds, I find nerdier friends have like up to 10x the reaction to weed as non-nerdy friends).
Making cannabis legal in Germany unfortunately will not help to improve this situation.
trying to lose like 10 pounds and i think the weed is holding me back
eat healthy before you smoke
All these questions could be resolved with litigation using many of the same processes that the courts already have. However, I would wager that the state would spend as much additional money on the judiciary as they would simply providing an unconditional paramedic service in the first place! This also applies to financial situations, because it's hard to, say, confidently ascribe the failure of someone's life savings on a supposedly poor choice they made while under the influence of a drug. I personally think it would be inhumane not to provide a safety net, but it would also be considerably cheaper to!
think "too big to fail"
I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption).
Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...
I’m not the biggest fan, but as a person who enjoys drinking from time to time, who am I to rob people from their good times when I get to do it freely?
Are there regulation on the production of cannabis on sale ? concentration and limits in amount of impurities etc ?
When outdoors, wind comes into it. They really ought to have two smoking areas on each railway platform, one on either end, and make it compulsory for smokers to use whichever one would carry the smoke away from other users on a given day. Or, have a smoking shelter with a tall chimney to take it away more effectively vertically.
I don't smoke myself (tobacco or weed) but I know plenty of people who do, or who used to (multiple packs a day, like my friend above). Quitting is hard apparently. So, from that to one or two per day sounds like it should be an improvement.
The nastiest thing with weed is having to deal with drug dealers to get it. Bringing it out of the criminal corner is a good thing. There are a lot of drug dealers who also sell far nastier stuff than weed. Crack cocaine apparently is a growing problem in Berlin.
Is there any good reason why alcohol should be prohibited?
Regulating the quality of the cannabis on the market is a large win for public health among users of cannabis. In a black market, you can't be really sure what you're buying and people are incentivized to buy a stronger product even if they don't actually need the stronger variant.
It doesn't explain the difference, no, since the same is true about the US. In most states, consumption of most drugs is not a crime - possession, production, distribution, sale, and trafficking are the actual crimes prosecuted.
I assume that Germany does drug testing for safety-related roles? Crane operators, pilots, nuclear plant operators?
It would be wild if they don't.
Not really. The business of employer-mandated drug testing in the EU is generally tricky, and employees enjoy wide ranging protections. Most countries only allow drug testing where there is a certain aspect of risk, and in most of those case, only a physician can perform the test, and cannot share findings, only declare the subject as fit for duties or not.
In Germany, specifically, a pre-employment test but a physician is allowed, and when employed only rarely and for very specific circumstances.
I hope that legalization in Germany will lead to more sane laws in Sweden, but honestly, I'm not holding my breath for it
I'm sure selective enforcement is at play, but at least in my experience they didn't care.
So you have Singaporeans testing positive for cannabis upon arrival at the airport after a trip to Thailand, who are not in possession of cannabis, have not consumed it in Singapore (or another country where it is illegal) and they are charged with a crime.
[1] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cannabis-drug-laws...
Production and trade under very strict restriction in so-called cannabis clubs.
Trade as a non-narcotic medication in pharmacies, restricted to prescriptions.
Production at home, with very strict limits towards quantity of plants and size of harvest.
Possession of limited amounts of cannabis and thus public consumption with restrictions regarding proximity to institutions for children.
That's like deciding to never try beer after seeing some people getting blackout drunk. Of course, it's your choice and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but still a weird argument to make. A lot of things when taken to the extreme can lead to very negative outcomes, not exactly a good reason to penalize (I know you're not suggesting that) or judge the people capable of moderation.
It's naive, not weird, which is to be expected by someone who never smoked.
I think, the observation isn't even far off in many situations, especially with youth (who smoke and drink for peer pressure, too). Because of illegalization, there was a substantial incentive to breed extremely potent cannabis genetics, grown in tightly controlled and optimized indoor operations. Or even worse: Weed cut with synthetic cannabinoids. Because you get more bang for your bug, and in particular more bang for trafficked mass (same reason fentanyl is everywhere). There is nothing chill about your typical street dope. For a first time user, chances are they will have a bad time. Too many people do one or two puffs and find themselves already way too "high". As of now, smoking is really only enjoyable, if you have some tolerance, in my opinion.
This will change now. We will see a huge variety of weed strains in people's hands. Not only because, obviously, people will exchange home grown produce (although still illegal), but also because medical cannabis access got a lot easier too now. Meaning you get clean, controlled, defined cannabis in pharmacies, if you find a doctor to $ign the prescription. There will be less pure flower, more leafy mixes, which I believe was common in the past. E.g. a high CBD, moderate/low THC breed will offer a much more enjoyable "on-boarding" experience, but it was nearly impossible to find on the illegal street market.
The culture around weed will change. It will get less intense, but more casual, more chill, more fun. OP will see more people smoking cannabis the same way people enjoy a glass of wine.
Out of all reasons to never try beer, this actually seems like a pretty good one? If my #1 reason would be seeing a drunk driver crash, then this would be a solid #2.
I'm not one to go moralize other people's use of substances, but it's also weird for me to read your take on it. Those are very common and good reasons for people not to try substances.
One set smoke weed and then partake in creative, explorative, or otherwise effort filled pursuits. Generally I feel that weed has likely improved their lives.
The other set smoke weed and consume... consume tv, consume video games, consume food, consume music. These people seem to fall into a slump that weed seems to participate in keeping them in. Weed lowers the bar to enjoy yourself and thus raises the bar for other activities. If weed and video games feels good, then why call up friends and go bowling? It's not addictive, but it does have a kind of gravity because it's an activity that participates in the economy of potential activities. For these people weed entertains them, at the cost of them becoming a more boring person.
That said, I feel like I drifted between the two categories you describe. Sometimes I'd chill on the couch and do nothing but consume. Others I'd feel inspired to do something productive, like work on a side project, clean the house, go for a walk, or practice guitar.
This reaction is not representative of the general effects of cannabis smoking.
Cannabis is a tool, if you misuse it, you can waste your entire life - but it's heaps better than sugar or alchol, especially if you avoid smoking it (which destroys your lungs). Edibles or vapes are much better.
If you use it well, it can be a good aid to relax and improve your quality of life - or maybe to endure a hard time in in your life.
If it wasn't a hassle to buy it, I'd definitely vape some instead of drinking beer to relax.
Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue. Also a lot depends on how you chose to consume cannabis if you're smoking it, it's no better than tobacco (besides that you're likely to do that way less frequently).
Not because of the effects it has on the consumer, but because the effects it has on the producer.
It depends on where you are, but where I am - the UK - the producers are primarily enslaved. A fact that is rarely talked about.
Recently there was a big drug bust. The headlines all described how many dogs were freed - less than twenty. But deep in the articles behind euphemistic language you could read that one and a half thousand enslaved people were also freed.
There's power-creep to consider. Modern weed isn't the weed of the 70s after all the cross-breeding. I've read about high schoolers acquiring cannibus-induced psychosis.
Source: https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtm.... Do note that Erowid calls hallucinations "visuals".
> I enjoy being in full control of my senses
Heh. I suspect you're a lot less in control than you think you are. It took me experiencing mushrooms and LSD to really open my eyes to the ridiculous amount of processing our minds do just outside of our awareness. I'm sure this could be explored without mind altering chemicals too, but few do.
https://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtm...
However, we're already pretty sure that the current change in law will require further tuning as issues become apparent. Still, you need to start somewhere.
And "international law" seems like a joke at this point anyway (in general, but especially regarding weed). Canada went way further with no repercussions and more importantly the US which basically forced the 1988 Convention/treaty on the rest of the world is completely flaunting it itself.
I agree with that for some drugs, but certainly not cannabis. That's observational; there are simply not enough reported cases of problems to make that true wrt cannabis use. Of course, that leaves the possibility that cases aren't reported.
Again, based on personal observation, I would be amazed if the ratio of cannabis users that 'waste their life' on the drug is as high as the ratio of alcohol users that do the same. And that's before you even take into account the harm caused to others.
Alchol is more available so more people are alcholics.
I think cannabis is preferable as it won't destroy your liver and there are ways (vaping, edible) to assume it without wrecking your lungs.
I think you are either intentionally exaggerating, or vastly overestimate the number of people destroying their lives, or underestimate the number of people who use drugs (especially alcohol, consumed by >50% of the US population).
There are estimates that 70% of alcohol addiction is hidden.
Either we have the freedom to consume what we like and deal with the consequences or state has to nanny us and prevent us from consuming harmful substances altogether.
People are fast to point out that prohibition don’t work, but if there were no legal ways to obtain sugar a lot less would be consumed and a lot of weight would be shed by our fat population
I wonder if big-Keto would push for harsh penalties to illegal bakers? Maybe a 3 (bread) slices law would rise?
We cannot and should not penaltize all these things just because a few cannot handle them. Rather, we should invest into helping and preventing abuse. Of all above.
Some people are just lazy
I do not see 1) at all, laws are pretty reasonable all around
Consumption is different, but the new law is very specific in what is allowed and what isn't, and an unconditional ban is unlawful, as is already the case with cigarettes.
For example, they often prohibit plants of certain sizes on balconies, and entirely elsewhere.
Legal? Maybe not - but here in reality you have little recourse.
Either you don't know what a perfect ban is or you don't know what perfect means.
And this middle ground does that. You still can smoke weed if you want to and obtain it. But the government does not have any responsibility to facilitate you getting it.
Making the production, trafficking and sale illegal disincentivizes consumption without actually prosecuting the consumer.
> Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue
Yes, but addictiveness is the issue. In my personal experience, light drugs have comparatively low addictiveness (compared to "drugs-non-drugs" like nicotine and alcohol), while sugar (/junk food) has a much higher one.
If I happen to consume more than usual, I find sugar (/junk food) really hard to cut, but not light drugs.
Keep in mind that a vast majority of Americans are overweight or obese. Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction, and it's to junk food, more than light drugs.
> Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction
That doesn't mean that junk food is inherently "addictive" and there are many other reasons for this.
TV and anti-drug campaigns really do a bad job in explaining what really happens to someone on drugs. This is why I specifically linked Erowid.
And well, I was a kid once as well, and trying alcohol for the first time, drinking with friends, getting into shenanigans. Wouldn't trade those memories for anything. That'll happen whether you want it or not.
Still against smoking in small public places though, as my jacket gets to smell like weed.
In Germany, you always had a lot of "deutsche Hecke" (cannabis grown in Germany) on the market. Lots of small operations. While still illegal, it isn't unethical and certainly doesn't involve slaves...
While more or less impossible to have legal (non-medical) weed right this moment, I very much doubt cannabis grown outside Germany will be attractive much longer. Because it's ethically questionable, because it's been in someone's butt, because it's often cut with dangerous substances, because you can't trust its quality and because you don't want to get involved with street pushers. Technically, you will have a "black-market", but it won't be the ultra criminal gangsters running the show. It's gonna be a friend-of-a-friend who's growing more than they are allowed to, selling off the extra.
There will be a questionable market for "doctors" writing prescriptions for medical weed now. A situation you find in many countries already. That's just the parasitic business you get with still restrictive legislation. Many people will go this route. Not because it's cheaper, but because getting weed this way is trusted, convenient and reliable. Medical weed costs about the same as high quality weed on the street before legalization. Prices will go down, margins will be smaller.
While slave labour is cheap, at scale a combine harvester is even cheaper.
But it's not just the raw production cost that matters. If you add a 200% levy, then ofcourse you risk tipping the edge back over to the black market.
Most people are perfectly capable of consuming alcohol/weed in moderation without doing any major harm to people surrounding them or themselves.
That doesn’t make sense. First in that list you have meat and vegetables which are produce and carbohydrates which are source of calories - i.e. vegetables are constructed partly from carbohydrates.
Sugar is easily the most addictive thing majority of population consumes regularly and it has huge health implications. Banning sugar would disproportionately improve health of human race compared to negative effects of allowing free range over all drugs
I agree, it is really hard to take something away that is established. About 10% of germans consume Cannabis at least once a year even though it is illegal. [1]
Keeping cannabis illegal has the same effect as prohibition of alcohol: higher substance concentration, more black market and greater health risks by acquisition through dubios sources.
[1] https://internationalcbc.com/what-percentage-of-germanys-pop...
However, I do believe it’s not absolutely mandatory. During COVID, I was able to cancel the yearly inspection twice.
Yes, it is regulated. However, growers get to choose which labs they send their samples to. With those incentives, you can guess what happens next.
Other than that, I agree with the GP: nothing has really changed; those who smoked continue to do so, often relying on the cheaper black market; those who didn't like it continue to not partake.
I vape once every few months and it is nice to have access to legal weed with transparent pricing.
Keep in mind, nobody would have ever arrested you for smoking cannabis for ages especially in the west coast Canada. Sure it was illegal, but everyone has a friend who has been smoking for years.
They will always be under time pressure as the train needs to depart promptly.
(This is Swedish customs, nothing to do with identity checks. I don't use cannabis or socialise with people that do.)
However, there was suppressed to be a further push to end it. I haven't walked by Pusher Street since then.
News yesterday (Danish) https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/den-her-gang-er-det-anderl...
Weed makes consumption more enjoyable, therefore you consume more than you'd consume without weed, at the opportunity cost of doing other things. Which in general makes you more boring.
I've been around stoner friends a lot (for most of them it was a phase in life which they got out of before ~30) - no matter how boring / interesting they were before / after weed, during their weed days they were more boring than during their non-weed years. Weed makes you content just sitting at home while otherwise you'd rather seek some excitement outside.
People might have other experiences than you lol! Maybe someone finds watching sitcoms stoned while knitting to be the most rewarding thing in the world? Maybe they think the things you're doing are boring? It's odd to judge what people find exciting in life.
Newsflash. Not everyone who smokes „must smoke”. And trust me, in order to smoke responsibly you actually need a ton of self-control.
The good news is that vaporization doesn't smell as much (or linger as long) while being nearly equivalent in effects, and edibles don't smell at all. I think users and non-users should be able to coexist peacefully by making a couple of compromises.
There are also restrictions where you can and can't smoke, like schools, playgrounds or sports fields.
Basing one's opinion heavily on one experience, viewed from the outside, is a demonstration of anchoring bias and egocentric bias respectively. Outside perspective cannot include what personal revelations or trauma processing is going on inside the head of the "apathetic" experiencer. It overlooks the diversity of experiences and potential reasons behind the observed behaviour, and is intellectually dishonest in avoiding the other cannabis consumption methods which points to a lack of depth in judgment.
Indeed, a person with a strongly held opinion based on an anecdote, wrought with textbook cognitive biases, is the kind of person who would deny themselves the opportunity to see their cognitive bases in action because of their snap judgment. Should we value judgments made by this kind of person? What kind of person should impose rules on others?
There's no such thing as a "pleasant" weed smoke. You only like it because you're smoking it.
I guess, apart from indoor smoking without proper ventilation (illegal in Germany), car exhausts are the only other thing which should be illegal, because of the huge burden on public health and the objective impact on another's life. If I have to tolerate even car exhausts, you have to tolerate all the weed stink. I would gladly sacrifice weed for a car ban.
I don't smoke. But you need friends with better dope, or stop hot boxing.
And I live in country with already legal and easily accessible weed with a wide variety of strains. I don't think I'm just smelling skunk weed.
You are not allowed to share cannabis.
The amount of THC in your blood that would make it illegal to drive is 1 ng/mL blood serum. This is essentially nothing and can, anecdotally, be triggered by losing weight after consuming.
I've had the opportunity to see one of the infamous German drug tests in practice (wasn't driving). The result is that if you used any canabis 4 days earlier it will show up on the pee test. It was waved off as no issue, but four young Dutch people in car got their attention a bit too much apparently. If they thought we were the type they were looking for they had cause to do whatever. We were not the ones they were after though as we were not going to the nearby festival and were just driving by.
At least cigarette smell is agreed to be distasteful around others.
Smokers have gotten better at making sure they don’t smoke right in front of your face. The amount of assholes I’ve seen light up weed in front of you though and then tell you to piss of when politely asking them to smoke somewhere else trumps the cigarette smokers by far
Both suck though, I agree.
Of course, smoked cannabis is the same. Whatever the smoke touches will leave some sort of residue and it can smell. In my opinion the "stale cannabis" smell is more pleasant than the "stale tobacco" smell, but different people are sensitive to different things.
> Cigarettes only smell when being lit
I know a few people who took way too expensive rental contract, sued and got the money back in court. It is annoying that you need to do this, but there is a way and it only costs your time.
Just saying.
This is the way :)
The recourse would be to simply not move out. Even if it's in the contract, illegal parts of the contract are void.
Exactly. And then you ignore the bullshit.
In very general terms, the world would be infinitely better off if people did not cast such wide nets on their assumptions.
Good to hear that it's okay for you. :)
https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2023/kw45-pa-g...
And for good reason. That would be an entirely unproportional encroachment on privacy and personal rights, irrespective of whether the test turns out positive or negative.
A drug test may be legal, or suggested, when there is reasonable suspicion someone was high during work hours. Maybe air traffic controllers and similar professions need to be evidently clean. Otherwise I don't think drug tests are legal in Germany. Even asking about consumption is illegal in most cases.
kinda obscure example. i expect most operators of heavy machinery, human transportation devices and some security professions to require some verification of abstinence. i was tested once in order to get the required permit to drive a van with elderly and disabled ppl for the red cross.
I can tell when my neighbour has potato or prawns for dinner. And anyone in this apartment building can smell the burnt garlic. I like garlic smell but not burnt garlic smell.
So sure, the act of consuming might be legal, but having consumed isn’t.
Isn't that limited to public spaces? If you're getting high in private you should be fine?
This is a weak argument. Almost nobody is getting prosecuted for "disorderly conduct" when under the influence of marijuana as a proxy for marijuana consumption. And even if they were, the connection between that and employer drug tests is extremely tenuous.
The likelihood of getting charged with a drug-related crime for testing positive for drugs on an employer-mandated drug test, which is the context being discussed, is absolutely minuscule.
You may get fired, but your employer isn't going to refer you to local prosecution, and the prosecution wouldn't take it if they did.
The title of this post is " Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany".