Astronomers discover Milky Way’s biggest stellar black hole(theguardian.com) |
Astronomers discover Milky Way’s biggest stellar black hole(theguardian.com) |
I Put 4M Suns in a Black Hole over New York [video]
§3 Discussion: "The estimated mass is also too large for one neutron stars or two neutron stars in a close orbit, so we are left with the possibility of: 1) a single BH; 2) an inner binary containing two BHs; or 3) a BH and another compact object. Although the single BH is the simplest explanation, the hypothesis of an inner binary of two BHs cannot be excluded [...] radial-velocity [...] perturbations are too small to be detected in the Gaia RVS [radial-velocity] data[.] For the purposes of the subsequent discussion we have adopted the single BH hypothesis as the most likely explanation."
Someone with more patience (or more troll-energy) than I have right now might try to introduce this into the handful of threads here containing various complaints that (clearly assuming a single BH), "size" is being punned as mass in the newspaper article linked at the top. If, for example, the ~33 M_sun ("mass of the sun") mass is evenly divided between two central BHs with the giant branch star companion orbiting them (cf. Alpha Centauri AB + wide companion Alpha Centauri C and similar triples), what's the most reasonable understanding of "size"? Or what if the dark component has a mass-ratio of ~ 30:2 split between a BH and a satellite NS? Total mass remains ~33 M_sun, how has "size" changed?
(Answer: "it hasn't". Generally I agree with the comments that read "size" as meaning mass and disagree that it should mean the Schwarzschild radius, and not just because the dark component might not be very Schwarzschild-like at all. Perhaps someone might do an ELI5 of dimensional analysis g = T^-2 L -> M = T^-2 L^3 or Gauss's law for gravity. (Serious ambition would be ELI12 of the argument around the "scale separation" towards the end of the excellent <https://physicscourses.colorado.edu/phys2210/phys2210_fa20/l...>, where we'd distinguish the scale of a possible inner-binary from the scale of the giant star's orbit around it.))
Bart: this is the biggest stellar black hole.
Homer: this is the biggest stellar black hole so far.
How is that known? Isn't "dust and gas" also how stars form?
So the current working hypothesis for massive black holes in galaxies is that they formed directly from the gravitational collapse of "vast clouds of gas and dust" with such high gravitational pressure that the core couldn't keep up, and the entire mass of gas and dust collapsed into a massive black hole. There is no supernova involvement; merely a direct transition into a black hole.
Of course, take my laic simplification into account.
>black hole 33 times more massive than the sun
What a confusing article. Its 33 times the mass of the sun
The largest black hole in Milky Way is million times more massive than our sun. Falls in super massive category.
The one at the center of the galaxy is along for the ride! A good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98
"Probably" is a strong word, these are very hypothetical, the lightest observed black hole has a mass of 3 Suns.
"What If Planet 9 Is a Primordial Black Hole?" by Jakub Scholtz and James Unwin [1]
[1] Phys. Rev. Lett. 125, 051103 – Published 29 July 2020 https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.12...
Admittedly, it gets a bit philosophical. The sphere of no return isn't the thing, but it might as well be for any outside observer, but it isn't, but it could be viewed as such, but... :) Suffice to say I'm glad the closest thing to black holes I have to contend with in my daily life is a 2+ million line php codebase dating from the late Clinton administration.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00841
https://www.pbs.org/video/what-if-singularities-do-not-exist...
The headline confused me as well: 33 solar masses (not sizes) seems tiny to me, I was sure we knew of bigger ones
The difference is even more clear-cut because so-called intermediate mass black holes are something of a question mark. For a long time it wasn’t clear whether they even exist in any significant numbers, and even now the evidence is not especially rock-solid, especially with regard to candidate objects in the Milky Way.
While it's possible that supermassive black holes were formed from stellar collapse, there are models where they didn't, while they _know_ that this one was formed from stellar collapse.
Even pointing out the Nile didn't change her mind; I imagine there's a denial joke to be made there.
That's a generous thing of you to say.
How many people really want to be proven wrong? I'd like to think I am. Maybe I should make a t-shirt:
Happy to proven wrong *
* But only by people who reciprocatefor me "more X" and "Xer" are the same thing, so I don't get your system
It was just a stellar black hole that optimized logistics and utilized its gravitational pull to offer free shipping and one click accretion.
0.5 times shorter makes sense