Amazing. I'm glad you don't ship outside of the US 'cause I would be insanely tempted to buy this completely superfluous gadget. Love everything about it, from the idea and its negative utility to design and materials.

Are there any details available? Dimensions, charging, etc?

Actually, this can be used as a presentation clicker, right? There you go, business expense.

I love it. I think it would be even funnier if you made it only scroll in one direction (downwards) to remove any possible semblance of being useful.

I'd love if my cellphone had a lateral button like old portable radios had to adjust the volume but with the sole purpose of scrolling. Scrolling on the screen is annoying, my finger covers the content and I must be careful not to click something. I really can't believe I'm the only one desiring such a thing.

I don't get it. What's it do?

I hate it. I love it.

I've been thinking of removing the scroll wheel from my media PC's mouse to make doom scrolling harder. Love to see the innovation in going hard the other direction.

There's plenty of wireless standalone scroll knobs out there if this sounds like your cup of tea https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Wireless-Control-Pod-Customizat...

I know a few doom scrollers for whom this would be incredibly tempting. The video looked like it requires a lot of rotations per screen tick. Can that be adjusted?

Now I am wondering if you can connect a bluetooth mouse to a phone to achieve the same effect, albeit in a less convenient package.

But does it actually run Doom?

Should be paired with the OG Doomscroller: https://endlessdoomscroller.com

Add a number lcd displaying how many miles you have scrolled so far

People talking about old Blackberry and other phone/handhelds that had scroll wheels.... was reminded of the more recent Rabbit R1 device "analog scroll wheel"

https://www.rabbit.tech/rabbit-r1

Joke or not, this could be a pretty ergonomic way to read long form content. Currently I rebind my mouse side buttons to page up/down which serves much the same purpose, since scrolling endlessly on a mouse doesn't feel great for your hands.

I actually have a working prototype or two plus some cad for making a clicky scroll wheel using those chunky cnc Dials, is there a market for that? (The haptics of a cnc dial make it really nice for jumping around really long documents )

Edit: I’ve got usb c and usb a versions, I mean stuff like https://images.app.goo.gl/7t7SCs945yyxinsM8 when I say dial. Still messing around with what sorts of enclosure etc for the overall device

Honestly I've always wanted something like this for reading ebooks.

After many iterations (and neck injuries) I've found the best position for me is simply laying horizontally with a normal sleeping pillow. Then using a stand with an arm to hold the device at the perfect position/distance (I use progressive glasses).

Typically I only lift my arm to scroll to the next page. But sometimes I skim sections of technical books and keep my arm lifted to move quickly. Holding the arm up for 5-10 minutes becomes annoying.

This is really neat, I wonder how hard it would be to retool for Android camera controls. There's an accessory for the iPhone to get physical camera controls, but it's thicc

Every band of builders in a garage needs a variety of classes, but at least one Doomscroller. While everyone else's attention is down, in, focused, the Doomscroller looks outward.

They are the teams eyes and ears, continuously maintaining the indespensible information grounding signal. A streaming infinite scrolling HTML connection to the garage, from the real world.

Site doesn't even work on Android.

One of the best UIs I've ever used was on Sony phone with a scroller-button. Scroller was to choose the option and button underneath (you pushed the scroller) was to select. Very fast, easy to learn and usable.

This was brilliant, I played with it longer than I really should have

Why is this a knob and not a scroll wheel.

Protip, there's $10 "VR" controllers thats basically an analogue stick with a ring finger hole that does this already, in more ergonic way.

> Only works with Android/PC. Sorry iOS

If this was implemented as a Bluetooth mouse with just a scroll wheel, wouldn’t you get support on all recent operating systems for free?

Amazing product. I'm a bit dissapointed though at the lack of scrolling possibilities in the website.

Surface Dial's mutant cousin.

I would like to buy a device but seems like Stripe does not send it to Ukraine.

you're welcome: https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_sony_ericsson_p910-news-5...

lateral scroll wheel. awesome phone:

https://fdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/21/08/sony-ericsson-p9...

The Blackberry 7100t had a side scroll/job wheel like this along with a body narrower than other blackberries thanks to its 20 key qwerty-ish keyboard (2 characters per key). It still ranks as one of my favorite mobile devices. Great ergonomics paired with just enough web browsing capability to be helpful during emergencies; I would spend my morning Metro ride touch typing email drafts on it. It had its flaws of course, but the side jog wheel and narrow physical keyboard added up a “spark” of feeling like it was on to something.

Non sequitur: Another long forgotten device that still bounces into my thoughts every so often is the Psion REVO. 8MB RAM, 36MHz ARM processor, and full QWERTY keyboard that fit into your (back) pocket —- better paper specs than the hand-me-down 386sx I was using a few years before! One of these days I’ll dig though storage and see if I can resurrect it.

I always wondered if one could repurpose side-mounted fingerprint sensors (ex. Samsung Galaxy Fold) as a swipe-to-scroll mechanism.

There also used to be some lovely touchpad tech called "chiral scroll", which allowed for iPod-like scrolling. No idea where that went, patent hell?

I'd love something like that. But I would want that to have tactice clicks, like mouse scrolling wheels, so that it can also be used for paging in book readers.

Which speaking of, there is a niche there for a product that I think is actually realistically doable at small scale. On Android, most book readers can be configured to flip pages with volume up/down, which is extremely convenient for one-handed reading. No such luck on iOS, though, where those buttons cannot be taken over by apps. It would be nice to have some kind of case for iPhones that incorporated dedicated page up/down buttons along those lines, just connecting to the actual phone via Bluetooth and presenting itself as a keyboard.

A touch sensitive side would be great for thumb scrolling.

With software detection of coherent scroll sliding, filtering out grip holds, bumps, and other irrelevant activity.

But noooo! Apple stuck a touch sensitive screen on a keyboard! No justice.

All the OG blackberries had this, are they that long ago that their forgotten? It was how you played brick breaker.

Another cool example is Nexus One's trackball. It had advantage of being able to scroll in any direction.

Some old (pre-smart, pre-camera, chunky ones with small B&W LCD screens) cell phones had a side scrollwheel that was used for menu navigation. I think it was clickable too.

The only more modern take on that that I know of was Marshall's "audiophile" Android phone [0] from 2015, which had a side scrollwheel for volume, but not sure if it was used for navigation.

0: https://m.gsmarena.com/marshalls_new_smartphone_is_every_aud...

Reminds me of when I jailbroke an old iPhone and the only thing I really actually used the jailbreak for was making a long press on the volume buttons a previous / next song button. I actually really miss it.

I love the dial on apple watches for this reason.

I thought that when I started this thing. Turns out, every device implements slightly different flavors of USB-HID in their drivers. It's a complete shitshow under the hood. I'm trying to get iOS working, but it's so opaque compared to Android. I have achieved limited functionality with iOS, but it's not the buttery smooth action I can get on PC or Android.

https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991

From his twitter:

(I'll copy and paste the text here, as I don't know how much you see of this text logged out)

> Why couldn’t I just emulate a standard mouse and scroll smoothly? Sounds easy. Unfortunately there is a holdover from two decades ago in the way mouse drivers are written into USB. Because mice used to use low resolution encoders, a single “detent” event would be about 22.5 degrees. Hard coded into the kernel level of Android and Windows is the instruction to interrupt this single detent as a 40 pixel scroll for generic devices. This is what results in the chunky style scrolling on a PC.

> Only recently have specialty devices like the Logitech mice used custom drivers to bypass this and offer high resolution single pixel scrolling instructions. Unfortunately these drivers were not rolled into the Android kernel, so even when I sniffed the BLE traffic with Wireshark and impersonated a Logitech device, I wouldn’t get that silky smooth scrolling on mobile. No go.

> The slightly hacky workaround was to go one level deeper than the standard Arduino libraries.

> A quick description of how USB devices work. HID stands for Human Interface Device and is a protocol implemented over USB protocol. HID devices do advertise their capabilities through the HID report descriptor, a fixed set of bytes describing exactly what HID reports may be sent between the device and the host and the meaning of each individual bit in those reports. For example, a HID Report Descriptor may specify that “in a report with ID 3 the bits from 8 to 15 is the delta x coordinate of a mouse”. The HID report itself then merely carries the actual data values without any extra meta information.

> My goal was to use a customized descriptor to send the byte package of a one finger touchpad with absolutely coordinate system and 1 button to the host. This way I could perform the digital emulation of a finger making contact with the screen, performing a Y axis movement while remaining in contact, and then lifting off the screen before reaching the top. This movement would have to be repeated hundreds of times seamlessly to provide the illusion of smooth scrolling.

> Additional complications arose from the fact that Bluetooth low energy has a minimum latency of 8milliseconds, with most hosts negotiating an even slower rate such as 20 milliseconds. Simply blasting commands at a few hundred hertz doesn’t work.

> The internet is filled with unanswered forum questions about how to do all of this. I think I’m probably the first one to achieve a working implementation of this particular smooth scrolling solution. This single problem occupied much time than the rest of the project combined. No doubt that Logitech or Apply could achieve a more elegant solution. My hope is that a big company takes interest in Doomscroller takes it off my hands.

https://x.com/andrewmccalip/status/1781674889679982991