An icon taskbar for the Gnome Shell(github.com) |
An icon taskbar for the Gnome Shell(github.com) |
This happen in KDE Plasma too, there was there a guy with big ego too, he created the thing called a "cachew" and refused to give the option to hide it , yeah a KDE guy with a GNOME mentality, but in the end the guy was gone and normality was restored , not even you have the option to hide the crap, it is GONE now https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/kde-kills-desktop-toolbo...
I hope GNOME also will get rid of big ego people and Red Hat manages to hire competent designers , developers and honest PR people .
GNOME works great for me.
Why are you so dismissive? A desktop environment should aid intuitively the user, not have the user search for information to "get" the desktop.
These are probably the people that still haven't been for long on the GNOME train, and still trying to make it fit their classical interpretation of a desktop. It's classic for a reason, because it worked, and GNOME 2 was peak GNOME.
It's just a matter of time before they stop fighting it and switch to a different DE, or accept the default. And when that group settles, you're going to have another influx of GNOME users, that don't get why it doesn't behave like a classic DE and will try to tweak it to match one.
That said, there are quite a few number of issues that stick out like a sore thumb, only to find that it's not a problem that the community is willing to recognize, let alone fix. I look at the issues and every time I see it getting dismissed as a me issue. That users like me are absolutely clueless. It drives me nuts, and I find myself considering a switch to Plasma even though it's too Windows-y for my taste.
Is it not possible that they understand GNOME just fine and still don't agree with its design decisions?
Most downloaded gnome shell extensions[0]:
2. Dash to Dock
4. Dash to Panel
6. Apps Menu
I get where you are coming from and I am in the same boat. However, marginalizing everything simply because of the GnomeWay™ is counterproductive.
2 weeks of forcing myself to do a trial of vanilla a couple years ago and I completely flipped on most of those “essential” plugins that I’d installed by default for years.
Of course it's also 6 "lines" high, with the bottom line being the address bar: with auto-complete it's a convenient place to navigate to directories and files. In Windows 2000 it was even possible to type in a path to a file there, and then drag and drop it to a window to open that file, but somehow they changed this, in XP or 7 it did something else, and in 10 it doesn't allow me to drop the file (represented by the icon) in a text editor or windows Explorer.
Windows 11 (22H2) didn't allow title on and no grouping either; that was added back in 23H2.
Now if I'm using the keyboard I just alt+tab to change windows. If I'm using the mouse, hot top left corner and I see the activities view which shows all the windows opened, the dock and the different workspaces.
To me it's just faster this way. Same thing on my mac. The dock is there but I almost never use it, so to me the top bar with the date and app indicator is enough.
Lots of configurability make it so that I can have the exact panel that I want. In my case, it's Auto-hide + app shortcuts + windows with no grouping + keyboard shortcuts all apps and windows and for unhiding.
The best thing about Linux desktops is personalisation.
Am I missing something here? If minimalism is the goal, why stick with a horizontal panel? Is there a way that folks typically configure this to make it more useful (or less obtrusive)?
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/m... / https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/m...
(I am aware that I'm linking to messages from 2011. All evidence is that this is still exactly how GNOME operates, and this simply is the best case of its devs writing down what they think that I know about. Anyone with evidence of a change of heart is welcome to share.)
if you just want quick launch, this is ~500 loc and gets updated on time for new gnome releases
Similarly, there is dash-to-dock extension, which emulates a feature from another popular OS. It is also indictment, that Gnome doesn't have macOS-like dock in the core? Is it an indictment of Windows shell, that is doesn't have such feature at all, neither in core nor in extension?
I personally love Linux, love Gnome, and, when I'm not paid, I only use these platforms. However, it is incredibly difficult to justify spending time on workarounds, and it is emotionally painful to see the Gnome team dig in their heels. I can't blame them for wanting to do things the way they see fit, they are a volunteer organization after all, but seeing them be actively averse to adoption is difficult.
From virtually every other OS for the past 25 years. That is reason enough to support it.
That said, I personally find vanilla GNOME pretty easy to use. It only took me a day or so to get used to not having things like a taskbar. If you use the hot corner (which is also hated), you can switch to any open app with one mouse click just like with a taskbar.
So either I'm an alien, or people are more adaptable than they give themselves credit for, and will go impressive lengths to not adapt (e.g. making a taskbar for a desktop that's perfectly usable without one).
I've never understood this, and it sometimes seems like a conspiracy. It's a very controversial DE and has gotten a lot of negative reactions for many years now, and it was so bad that different devs made not 1, but 2 forks of it: MATE and Cinnamon, in addition to all the other competing DEs out there (KDE, LXDE, Xfce, etc.). But for some odd reason, all the highest-profile distros push Gnome. If they wanted to get more converts from Windows, or pitch themselves as an OS for office use that Windows users could easily switch to, you'd think they'd push KDE as the first choice, because it's the most similar.
The default gnome dock behaves differently, but is (mostly) usable without this extension, just via different patterns. If you expect to have a desktop that consistently behaves like KdE, you’re probably better off switching to KDE (which is funny given some LDE users rice their desktops to almost look like gnome).
Do you (or anyone else here) know any way to recreate the touchpad desktop switching on KDE? I prefer its capabilities but admire gnome's aesthetics.
I use GNOME only in throwaway VM, but even there - only the extensions available in official repository are used.
There's a small but vocal minority who have been crying about the direction for 13 years, but still want to use it. Must be doing some things right.
Part it is the frustation of seeing it come so close to being a viable replacement for Windows back in the mid-2000s, only to jump the shark and become something we wouldn't use ourselves, let alone recommend to a would-be Windows refugee. (To be clear, I'm not saying it's unusable now - but I was shocked by just how slow and unresponsive the first version of Gnome 3 was.)
Unfortunately Gnome doesn't exist in a vacuum, and decisions made there do impact the rest of us - thanks to Gtk it's getting harder and harder to avoid the ingress of hamburger menus into desktop-oriented software - even developer / technical focussed stuff like a text editor VCD waveform viewer.
Being forced to switch from KDE to Gnome was a very painful transition. Having the Dash to Panel and Dash to Dock extensions was the only thing that made it palatable.
Vanilla Gnome may be fine as a streamlined tablet OS for casual web browsing but it is not suitable to doing real desktop work.
So the GNOME guys were explaining the GNOME way to upload a image, it was something about using the File Manager to browse the iamges and then D&D the image in the browser and they claimed that it was the superior way (like all GNOME workflows all are superior).
The guy that refused to allow GNOME to be customized, he wanted like Apple to force the superior GNOME color scheme and wallpaper on users, he failed to see that the hard core GNOME fans are split in distros and each distro has a different brand color and the "superior GNOME experience" where a guy chooses the best color by forcing it on everyone his personal opinion was dropped a bit, though there is still a group of big egos dudes that are still trying to force apps to not be customizable.
Also I did not named the big ego KDE Plasma guy even if I still remember him, and his stupid refusal to give us the option to hide the cachew, don't want to name hi, probably he forgot by now about his assholery and hopefully is not an asshole with other people still .
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Also Ubuntu/PopOs... why is it so hard to just admit that there is a problem? The cognitive dissonance is always flabbergasting when interacting with the gnome community.
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Mac never emulated this windows feature and it never hurt its adoption. If anything, it helped, because it wasn't associated with annoyances that the new users were getting away from.
Btw, I'm also using windows/mac/(fedora,ubuntu,alma) at the same time. Bigger annoyance is changes between different versions of the same system (i.e. windows 10 -> windows 11) than difference between different systems.
I don't understand this statement. They are using multiple OS', are they really struggling to switch between MacOS and Windows that much? If they are, then Gnome is going to be the least of their problems.
Maybe your app sole entry point should not be a systray icon, especially, since users might not have systray at all (intentionally).
You will have similar issue with Android, and how it handles (persistent) notifications, background tasks and activities in foreground.
The Linux community has the weirdest gatekeeping. "We're not going to let you do that because it reminds us of proprietary software."
When the Start menu is nothing but advertisements and user data is forcibly uploaded to the cloud, Windows users will look up and shout "save us!" and the Linux community will look down and whisper "no".
There is no desire to cater to Windows users because they move the target, "Oh you might have made this to be like Windows like we asked, but actually this is also not like Windows so I'll never use it anyway."
