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I guess like any deer we'd immediately recognise (and love) the taste of rock salt
Regular mineral water will avoid that.
If I remember correctly the 9-day period was shortened to something like 6 or 7 days, because too many of them died.
He said he spent three days walking in the desert. They shared the little water they had, but it was gone after a day. Most of the people fell in the desert and didn't get up. At one point a woman with a baby fell and refused to get up. He went back to try and carry her but his two friends dragged him off and told him if he tried to save that woman and her baby that he would die with her. He says a day doesn't go by when he doesn't think about this woman.
On the third night Border Patrol found the three of them, and they all ran, getting split up. He said he spent the entire night hiding in some brush.
In the morning he found a backroad and started following it and a pickup pulled up to him with a Mexican family in it. They took him home, fed and watered him and asked him if he had any money. He gave them everything he had left ($180) and they put him back in the truck and drove him to Chicago and dropped him there with nothing and wished him good luck.
I wonder if there are any coyotes nicknamed The Virgil though.
I'm not trying to bait political arguments, but how do we fix the problem with the US/Mexico border?
It seems to me that fixing that requires fixing central American countries first? Why do I feel like this is just hopeless?
During dry fasting the body gets H20 from lipolysis (this is called "metabolic" water), sort of like a camel (though camels have obviously a lot of specialization for this).
Anyway, thought it was a propos, so AMA if curious.
I know it's both a cliché and something that westerners often have forgotten how to do, but you can actually listen to your body and know minute by minute if you're in danger or not. For dry fasting, you are told that if you start getting persistent high heart rate you should stop.
Now what you should find intriguing is why would anyone put themselves through this? Well, it has immense and unique health benefits, that's why. It's been studied, although less than water fasting for obvious reasons. Even water fasters think we're crazy, so I understand.
edit: good food
http://www.houseofrain.com/bookdetail.cfm?id=1183863164364 for example, the epigraph of which burned into my memory:
> There are two easy ways to die in the desert: thirst and drowning.
> The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for “agua.”
> Then it was the child’s turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.
> “I’m embarrassed to ask it, because I don’t know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,” Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy.
> The boy is one of hundreds of children who need to be reunited with their parents after being separated at the border, many of them split from mothers and fathers as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance policy.” The separations have become an embarrassment to the administration as stories of crying children separated from mothers and kept apart for weeks on end dominated the news in recent weeks.
> Critics have also seized on the nation’s immigration court system that requires children — some still in diapers — to have appearances before judges and go through deportation proceedings while separated from their parents. Such children don’t have a right to a court-appointed attorney, and 90 percent of kids without a lawyer are returned to their home countries, according to Kids in Need of Defense, a group that provides legal representation.
We only live once, to avoid anything that might damage your body would lead to a very boring life.
Well, I eat a sweet thing about once a month. I guess that's pretty harmful.
Without this stupidity as you call it, we'd be nowhere. Yeah it's stupid to try and hunt a wooly mammoth given they're ten times our size but if our ancestors didn't we wouldn't be here.
I also think drinking is stupid.
Most social norms are really weird when you think about them.
Shaking hands. Why is it considered a sign of, I don't know respect maybe, to grab someone's hand and shake it? The chances of them carrying a weapon today are pretty slim. But the handshake still exists. Weird.
(And regardless - you usually aren't hungry during an extended water fast either - you do get physiological "pings" during your normal meal times. However, I would assume that if you're depriving yourself of water the body naturally overrides everything with signals for thirst)
> you can actually listen to your body and know minute by minute if you're in danger or not
Friend, this is all hocus pocus bogus from a crackpot doctor. Other sources even say dry fasting is rarely done today (because it's hocus pocus), even if it was once popular in the Soviet Union.
You will also notice how this crackpot doctor charges $2,200 for a supervised 2 day dry fast - not 10!
Please don't go 10 days without liquid intake - especially when you are without medial supervision for crying out loud. You cannot monitor yourself properly under these extreme conditions. Even if you survive 10 days without any liquid intake, you may (and probably will) cause irreversible damage to your body and organs.
I don't care about the doctor at all, I only wanted to link to the retreat to people are doing it and paying for it.
I'm not advocating anybody do it either, and since it's so difficult, even though it's less than it appears, I don't see anyone jumping in blindly into this.
Humans are almost uniquely adapted to starvation. Dry fasting is simply a boosted form of water fasting, which is almost mainstream. There's no particular danger to a person in reasonable health. I am so I could do it by myself.
While the placebo effect can be a powerful mental illusion, it will not prevent damage to your organs (or death) during this 10 day dry fast. Please don't ever do this.
[1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/the-power-...
> Russian physicians have successfully treated many illnesses and diseases outside
> the standardized support of allopathic medicines, as well as more common
> ailments including, but not limited to, mental disorders, bronchial asthma,
> rheumatoid arthritis, hypertension, obesity and diabetes.
I guess the Gulag does cure everything...
(though to be fair, the part of the diseases mentioned that are due to metabolic disease - read: obesity - can be treated early in their course by just losing weight - diabetes and hypertension due to obesity will go away once you drop the weight. Just, you know, drink water if you're fasting. Or join the Darwin Awards, whatever).
> "I thought, I’m pretty tough. I can do that," Broyles says. He planned ahead and buried water caches at strategic points of the journey, which he described in a 1982 article. "Intending to parallel [Valencia’s] route, I had no design to parallel his plight," he wrote. "But the desert doesn’t always honor human plans."
Mineral water may have a small amount of trace minerals, but it has basically zero electrolytes at relevant physiologic concentrations. Functionally, there'd be almost no difference between distilled and mineral water fasting with respect to electrolyte management.
Imbalances in sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium can get VERY serious very quickly. Mineral water does not really have relevant concentrations of those.
I think you're conflating the idea that distilled water isn't particularly good for you since it starts leaching out the trace minerals from parts of your body, with the entire concept of electrolyte management. These are VERY different things, occurring with VERY different relevant concentrations... like at least 1-2 orders of magnitude.
This might be correct for what is considered mineralwater in the US (I honestly don't know), but 1l of typical sparkling mineralwater in Germany has about a third of your daily magnesium and calcium recommended amounts (as well as relevant amounts of a view others). https://www.gerolsteiner.de/wissensquellen/wasserwissen/mine...
And there are waters with even higher concentrations.
The GGP mentioned "regular mineral water" - but most of us (at least in the US) do not purchase bottled mineral water to drink on a day-to-day basis. Most of our water consumption, in one way or another, comes out of the tap.
Fasting is an ancient practice, perhaps the most ancient medical practice.
I did do water fasts, dry fasts are simply more effective for the same time spend.
I do plan, not there yet because right now I'm focusing on building up exercise capacity and i'm also on high dose vitamin D for which it's recommended do drink lots of fluids, so I cut it out for a while and wait for my D levels to go down and when the weather permits I'll go at it again, probably on a whim which I find easier than setting a date beforehand.
May your good health continue!
15 years ago
- "paleo" diet with the usual elimination trifecta of gluten, sugar & dairy, quit alcohol & nicotine <= this is where I was convinced it was the way when in the space of a week or so a lot of my more evident symptoms faded away
- later keto
- much later (6 years ago) carnivore diet
- more recently megadose vitamin D (~2y with breaks)
- even more recently psilocybin (full doses)
- a lot of supplementation over the years which took a long time to figure out because the space is so vast and so hard to read, at least it was back in the early '10s. Nowadays B vitamin megadoses, fish oil, some newer research findings like n-acetylglucosamine, still have a lot to explore in the peptide area for neurogenesis and myelin repair, also mineral balancing, iron management (I'm male so phlebotomy), a few popular and totally mainstream supplements researched for MS like alpha-lipoic acid
That's about it in the most condensed manner. The entire history would be about 30x the size as my supplement drawer proves, though I already threw out a lot
Things I failed at and hurt me: stress management, sleep. Doing much better nowadays but these should probably be #1.
And for Na the recommended ammount is 1.5 g (from D-A-CH)
But in the example linked above, 1 l of the water gives 118 mg of Na, so 13 l of water would be needed to get the required Na amount. Not practical, but most mineral waters actually come rather with an artifically reduced amount of Na. Natural sources probably have higher values.
But in
https://www.dge.de/presse/meldungen/2011-2018/aktualisierte-...
The US FDA says 2300 g max.
https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-education-resources-mater...
BTW the elefant in the room: getting some less than 2.3 g/day will kill a healthy person relatively quick, while a diet with well above 5g/day will be shedded by healthy individuals without any problem…
Depends on the water. All the water sold or the one from the tap is artifically reduced in Na.
A natural spring might not be and has high values. Or a well in the desert (they can be very salty).