Ask HN: How long do you wait it out in a job you hate with todays insanely bad job market, how bad do you wait it out in a job that is increasingly soul sucking? |
Ask HN: How long do you wait it out in a job you hate with todays insanely bad job market, how bad do you wait it out in a job that is increasingly soul sucking? |
In general, I stay only as long as my circumstances force me to stay. At the same time, there are ways to make a soul sucking job suck less - mostly by figuring out how to do the job without caring about the job. Be that burned out cynical co-worker who just scrapes by and doesn't truly care. It is a bad attitude for building a career with a company, but a life-saving attitude if your current employer will never take care of your needs anyway.
Gotta be pretty rich to do that these days.
With a couple minutes of looking, here is 34 acres with a fishing pond, near a river, and it's $40k. Less than most people pay for a car. It is by some railroad tracks. I'm not sure if they are still active, but I'm sure some more looking could find something without that compromise. There were a lot of options, some in the mountains as well.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/S-Pickensville-Rd-Columbu...
Titus seems to make it work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir3eJ1t13fk
Why hadn’t I left before? Because I lived in hope that the developer experience there would click with me, and I wasn’t keen on going through the job hunt wringer again.
I started my current job in August. It’s way better. I will keep this one.
Is this the notice that you're required to give them? How can they enforce a notice period (genuine question)? Or is it just them trying to tell you that you need to let them know _three entire months_ in advance but without any real way to enforce it?
I never thought this was enforceable.
(I’m in the UK, laws may be different in your jurisdiction, etc.)
Edit: https://uk.adp.com/resources/adp-articles-and-insights/artic... says that
> Employers can take legal action if an employee breaches their notice period by leaving without providing the required notice period. They might pursue a claim for breach of contract, seeking damages for the cost of hiring temporary contractor replacements or loss incurred by a sudden departure.
Depends on the job, how bad is it really? All jobs are bad in some way in my experience, but I need to earn and I don't have the motivation to do my own thing in a way that would make a comparable lifestyle.
I’ve had multiple friends talk to me about quitting and while everyone wants to just yell “I quit” to their boss and storm away it’s never the right move. Don’t burn your bridges if you don’t have to. Even if you think “I’d never work for them again” it’s always best to leave on good terms.
You might never go back to that previous job but you don’t work in a vacuum. You old manager, their manager, their manager’s manager, etc might be someone you run into again in the industry or they might be friends with a manager at a company you are interviewing at. You can scream about how that’s unfair or illegal in some cases but it will get you nowhere. Yes, this is a bit of “chilling effect” but it’s also reality.
Remember that no one is going to have perfect information. Even if it’s known that your manager was a grade-a asshole if you quit in a huff or spew vitriol on your way out that is all anyone is going to remember. It doesn’t even have to be other managers, it could be your coworkers. You have no idea the social webs woven throughout the industry. You don’t want a “I didn’t know them at all but I know they pissed off management when they left” being told to someone who is thinking about hiring you.
At least, that’s the way I see it.
Do they have to also abide by this to their employees? Or are those just not in the contracts?
- you have to give them a month’s notice if you want to stop working for them
- they have to give you a month’s notice if they don’t want you to work for them anymore
Sometimes, instead of giving you notice, they’ll pay you what you would have earned during your notice period to have you leave immediately. (“Payment in lieu of notice”) I think the idea there is that they don’t want people hanging around if the company has decided to get rid of them.
Also: sometimes when you hand in your notice, your old employer will let you go sooner (so you can start your new job sooner). It depends how badly they need you for your notice period, and whether actually they could use the cash from your salary to do something else instead.