Indeed, and I'm not sure that China will arrest you when you're travelling in a foreign country, for trading with Taiwan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_case_of_Meng_Wanzh...

I'll also add that earlier this year, the US put a number of Chinese consumer technology companies, including DJI, on a public blacklist that designates them as "Chinese military companies". This is a clear use of the United States' diplomatic power to hurt and discredit Chinese tech businesses. Whether the US should be doing that is another issue. At the end of the day these sorts events are a common biproduct of large power politics, but the point is that China's actions are not unwarranted.

The house they always passes legislation that will never be implemented to support the base or send a message.

That signal only has meaning if the Senate or administration takes it up. For example, before the great flip of segregation advocates, the house passed legislation making lynching a federal crime for nearly 50 years. The Senate never allowed it to leave committee for a vote.

The meaning of the signal is unclear without understanding the dynamics. The MAGA idiots control it, so there’s a lot of performative legislation to keep the crowd occupied.

According to the government, the US has infinite amounts of money because they can always print more...

We'll have to up our slave-labor game while we're at it.

Will the US government sanction itself then?

Huawei got sanctions after catch on spy activity.

Who else you know?

Ahhh, so that's why all the crazies have been talking about lithium. They've been activated by the agitprop.

The bigger question is what will the US do if China decides to take the same action wrt EV batteries?

> DJI has extremely light sanctions

...at the moment. The House has passed a bill that would ban the sale of most models of their drones. The bill is currently in committee in the Senate.

Would you have argued that the American civil war was recent in 1940?

I could make up judicial cases and sanctions galore.. It's the reason why wto exists.

Huawei is neither sanctioned by wto nor Europe (till 2029) or any other part of the world

People in the US can recognize that the fighting is caused by economic reasons, and surely the average American citizen and the average Chinese citizen don't hold animosity towards each other on a personal level.

I think manufacturing jobs moving to China hurt the middle class in the US, and that's caused a disdain for China (and US politicians who push for things like that). But otherwise, I don't think the China rhetoric is too out of touch with reality. It would be very interesting to talk to someone in China and directly compare perspectives.

Is this actually true? From what Ive seen and read, the US is constantly demonized in the Chinese media.

Nah it's more than that.

China is different. Really different. Our old adversaries the Russians/Soviets are like brotherly chums compared to the Chinese.

China has always had a separate sphere of influence, distinct language, culture, religions, geography. It's way out there.

Look at all the conflicts the West has had with Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. Those were not merely economic wars. There was ideology involved at every step. Go back thousands of years, and see the Assyrians evangelizing China (not so effective or memorable.) See the Jesuits and other missionaries landing in Asia and making some inroads, then getting expelled, persecuted, martyred.

The big trouble is, with China, Americans have freely entangled ourselves economically with them for a long, long time. And this made for a tacit friendship, while we were fundamentally opposed in other aspects. But China patiently manufactured luxurious silk, delicious opium, cheap toys, and worthless crap to send us, and they Hoovered up all our debt, and our garbage and "recycling", and they bought controlling interests in businesses such as banks and whatnot.

But an economic relationship is not a friendship, it's transactional, and hopefully it's equalizing, and our economic agreements have been stable enough, but they're not strong enough to overcome ideologies.

So now you can see, perhaps, why Americans are scared and looking to extricate ourselves. I wouldn't say it's about "protectionism" because that has some negative or extreme connotations. I'd just say we're trying to be not so globalist, because the globalism eventually comes back to haunt us.

The people don’t fight. The governments do. War is the racket where the government convinces the people to die for them.

Nobody dislikes the Chinese people . But we also recognize that China has ambitions to expand its territory and we assume that the us government will oppose that.

I mostly see that too, but I do want to point out some genuine patriotism within China.

In the US, it seems like any conversation about China is derailed into something unrelated that the party in China does, which is confounded by the inability to separate a private sector in China from the party. Its just not a 1-to-1 mapping to our system, alongside an unwillingness to see it any other way.

In reality, people in China are just trying to live their lives, and do. They know how to navigate the rules of their system and the day to day is fine.

Of course, if you analyze things logically you'll conclude that the dispute is merely economic, because the US was buying everything from China until a few months ago.

Yes, when you don't have access to independent reporting, you miss China building hundreds of landing and invasion vessels, ramming and threatening neighbors over absurd territorial claims, and you could ignorantly conclude there must be "economic reasons" behind the US and China fighting. I'm here to tell you that the economic conflict is merely an immediate and necessary consequence from the realization that when war happens, the US is too reliant on Chinese manufacturing - and so it is being aggressively decoupled.

>75% of Chinese report negative views of the US

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the type of negative view and the degree.

That was notable because of how unusual it was. Chinese cities are extremely safe, generally speaking.

In the West we have a general consensus that any encroachment on freedom in the name of safety isn’t worth the trade. People even go so far as to claim that those who would choose safety don’t deserve it, which I find completely uncalled for and unnecessarily strident. A lot of Asian countries (China, Japan, Singapore) have no such problem, and view the US as a generally unsafe country.

China mostly exports goods lower on the value chain. When China tries to move up in the value chain such as exporting whole cars, phones, networking gear, software, that's where the "China bad" becomes much more of a problem for Chinese companies.

> the US is the primary enforcer of the world order

Nobody gave the US this legal power. It has no credibility there.

> everyone can trade with no fear of attacks on their shipping

Right now this is false around the area controlled by the Houthis.

> we don't steal each other's land any more

Israelis are stealing land with US support.

>That’s a false premise. The government in the US does not need popular approval to do things.

Are you sure about that? Every US history class I've ever taken growing up told me about some form of propaganda usage by the US government prior to some action. WWI, WWII, Cold War, Vietnam War, Iraq War etc.

  Meaning, there are people in China who are nationalistic, as there are in America. And these have enough of a Chinese over American view they would purchase an arguably worse product for their views.

Of course there are nationalists in China. I didn't argue against that.

  As for cultural exports, I think America just dominates the world in that regard. If you want to use that as a comparison China would have to have equivalent cultural exports to be a fair point. And as far as I know most people have no qualms with eating Panda Express, PF Changs, or small Chinese takeouts, which is a Chinese cultural export.

I don't think a few Americanized Chinese restaurants with American owners compare to my examples?

The cultural export power of America is precisely one of the main reasons why I sense that the level of anti-American sentiment in China is not nearly as bad as the anti-China sentiment in the US.

  I'm skeptical of that. I'd concede if you provided data but a quick Google search for AQI right now says the worst US city NYC is 54 AQI and Shenzhen is 56. Los Angeles is 33, SF is 19. (source IQAir)

The data is just me walking on any street in Shenzhen and almost never smelling any gasoline or feel the heat from cars.