Everything that has been coming out of China is better than anything our mega trillion dollar corporation are producing and they are doing with with sanctions on the best GPUs.

I don't work in big tech, why are they so bad with sigifically more money and more advanced technology?

Google had a decade and a half head start and they can't even produce a model that is as good and as cheap as Deepseek building with no compute compared to Google.

I have been using Trae and VS Code with Copilot is laughable compare too it despite using the same models. So we can't even prompt LLMs as good as they do and they don't even speak English as a first language LMFAO.

We might be fucked and this is just the beginning.

Maybe time to learn code should be time to learn Chinese.

Some C-levels newphew into computers and need a school project or something?

https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

Sidenote: That marketing video was nauseating, it was moving too fast and didn't show any features for long enough or for enough steps.

If I ever have a need for buggy crap code, any random boot camp dev can write it for no money at all.

Recommended.

(But of course it would be nice to be able to run it against a local model which doesn't seem possible at the moment.)

Just another AI wrapper around VS Code smh

Effort would have been much better spent on getting AI auto-complete "merged" with LSP. But who is listening? Pretty much everyone these days think they can plug an LLM and have their life issues sorted out.

It's sad because I have seen some truly remarkable progress in LLMs, but I feel like we aren't allowed to be honest anymore that LLMs aren't going to replace programmers or moderate our expectations.

If your metric is number of tests, sure. If your metric is number of useful tests… eh

I've done some stuff for a compiler in Java, backend web services in Python/Go/TS, frontend w/ React/TS.

I was a huge skeptic of this stuff at first but started using it about a year ago. I could definitely live without it, but it also saves me a significant amount of time.

I've been working on a feature in Python. With Copilot edits I just needed to find files the implemented the pattern, add it to the chat context. and write something like "implement feature x following the same pattern". It never gets it right the first time, but you can just keep the conversation going and have it iterate.

Afterwards I can just write /tests and Copilot generates reasonable tests. If it missed cases I can ask it to write cover those tests. Often times I can also just write literally "cover edge cases" and it handles all reasonable scenarios.

With this example usage:

    -- Example usage:
    let clause1 = Set.fromList [1, 2]  -- represents (x1 ∨ x2)
    let clause2 = Set.fromList [-1, 3] -- represents (¬x1 ∨ x3)
    let formula = Set.fromList [clause1, clause2]
    
    -- Decompose the formula
    let (nonBlocked, blocked) = decompose formula

Zed only has syntax highlighting and an ai assistant, but that's it. Even though Vscode (and the rest) is still also considered a text editor and not a IDE, they have by far way more features.

Sure, you get super duper high speed, but at what cost?

Can you share actual interaction on their site?

I use that with avante.vim for tedious refactors. All local.

That only applies to regular ChatGPT use.

And developers actively using AI for coding can easily spend more than $20/mo for the API.

There are people spending $10-15/day in OpenAI API usage working through Cline.

For the rest of the provided history feats, I can't really tell but most of it appeared indeed in established newschannels.

Edit: Actually I do have a product that is kind of Russian, Flipper Zero. I'm don't remember if I bought it before they moved the company to the US though, or while it was based in Russia.

WeChat is an app that works inside China, so obviously it's subject to Chinese laws.

All countries have some restrictions on what is and is not okay to have on online platforms. China just adds in "social disruption" alongside content that could promote violence (which would be blocked on Facebook, etc. also)

You need to not just drink in propaganda... When something just "can't be done" (because it is being monitored), then it just doesn't matter even if you have ill intent.

The user-based permissions model is an outdated dinosaur from a time when we could trust the applications we run on our systems to act on our behalf. Applications now act on the developer's behalf, often against the user. An application "running as me" should not have access to every resource (file or peripheral) on the device that I have access to. That's a huge blast radius.

Operating Systems really need to start treating developers as adversarial from a security/permissions point of view.

If it benefits you more than 1%, then you're in profit.

Of course, if you're in a job that doesn't actually care about performance, and performing won't lead to better salary at some point, then it may not matter.

Although, they do seem willing to sell potentially.

China restricted them from selling their recommendation algorithm, and it's hard to sell TikTok without.

But, TikTok did immediately start work on an independent algorithm that has no ties to China, so that they can sell it if it really comes down to it.

In this case it tricks you because it assumes that the LLMs increase productivity and launders that into the calculation. For me, and many people, LLM usage decreases my productivity.

"It's just US, not EU."

If I was presented with two options: waking up tomorrow as the child of a poor farmer in a third-world country, or waking up as one of Donald Trump's children, I would definitely choose the latter. However, that doesn't mean that I trust Trump more than I would trust the farmer. In other words, quality of life (or a preferred way of living) are not inherently tied to trust, morality, or anything like that.

> (…) (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years).

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think I’d ever consider moving to a country where I believed politics to be so unstable that an action could go from “very innocent” to “punishable by death” in the span of a decade.

What I see is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_oversea...

As I've already said, I never claimed china are the good guys. Just that they aren't the worse guys.

Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction.

Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more than big American companies like to be overly exposed to the US... Thus Apple being based in Ireland and keeping most of their profit outside of the US.

Edit:// "In principle" chinas gov stands for stability, economic development and national unity...

Only of of them is hypocritical, that's it.

I wouldn't trust a US data company to not capitulate to... "personal requests" by Musk or Trump any more than I trust it not happening in an hungarian, russian, turkish or chinese one with their respective leadership (official or otherwise).

I have to say, on second reading, you are right because I basically overlooked that Copilot implies having no problem with being spied on by US corporations. That honestly escaped me.

But since you brought it up, for me mass surveillance and other abuses are simply a human rights issue more than anything. People can chose to not uphold theirs, or we can feel like we "have no other choice", but that doesn't change the human rights abuse, essentially. And we have no clue what the long term pay-off for everything being enmeshed into surveillance of every single data point, no matter how trivial in isolation it might be. And "I don't care about privacy, so let's not have privacy anymore, so nobody ever born will have privacy again" is not a decision anyone has the right to make, to put a point on it.

We all kinda ended up here, and I know it's not so easy, but that we don't have "fixed" it doesn't mean it's not broken, and it staying broken for a long time doesn't normalize it in my books. That people don't care is what raising awareness is for, after all.

And when people like Larry Ellison talk about everybody being on good behaviour because the AI will be always watching (to help everybody and make a great society, of course, because nothing could go wrong), basically, I think adtech isn't the only danger, and the effect of that would also not be "small and indirect". But it also underlines your point about what's the more direct threat to a US citizen.

No, it’s not. You’re making my statement abstract for the sake of arguing.

I’m not a cook, doctor, or a lawyer. I can’t prepare meals for a party of more than 2.

I can’t perform surgery.

I can’t effectively defend myself in a court of law.

I (and I assume OP) have programming expertise.

I can write exactly all code an llm could write.

For simple scripts, demos and other easily Googleable tasks, LLMs will be faster, but it’s nothing out of reach for me.

These tools won’t force you to pay a subscription to code. You don’t need them if you already have experience.

If your job is to write software, then you're the accountant or lawyer or doctor. Otherwise, what do we even bring to the table?

Like speaking english and coding?

> "Everything is seen in China," said a member of TikTok’s Trust and Safety department in a September 2021 meeting. In another September meeting, a director referred to one Beijing-based engineer as a "Master Admin" who "has access to everything."

The idea that Oracle can prevent Chinese employees from accessing data when the servers are running code written by ByteDance on bare metal and the US team literally reports to the Chinese one is, frankly, ridiculous.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-...

LLMs only started to because they could follow the questions.

But even that aside, it doesn't matter why LLMs can do what they can do or what else can also do that, what matters is that it would take most humans several years to get to the level of current LLMs in a subject that human isn't already familiar with.

US citizens have rights. Non-US citizens, do not.

I think the problem with TikTok under their audited, non-interference under their Project Texas is... That they might not easily hand over data, or suppress views that US Gov isn't a fan of.

Which will change once TikTok is owned by a US company.

(This is why I believe LLM performance is best judged against human inner voice/system 1 reasoning, not the entirety of human thinking. When thinking with system 1, people don't really have an idea what they're doing either - they're just doing stuff that feels right.)

Also note that "sounds right to a human" is literally the loss function on which LLMs are trained, so between heaps of training inputs and subsequent extensive RLHF, the process is by its very construction aiming optimizing for above-human-average performance across the board.

As are most humans.

Don't get me wrong, what I've seen from even the better LLMs have a certain voice and tropes and sacherine worldview that isn't dark enough where it needs to be for the story to work; but on the other hand, what I see on some fiction writing subreddits… the AI is often a genuine improvement over amateur writers, even in cases where the AI contradicts itself about plot elements.

Which is frustrating, because I have the feeling the novel I've been trying to finish writing for the last decade may be usurped by AI before I get my final draft.

We renamed it to the Gulf of America, talk about annexing Canada, own Hawaii, fund the colony of Israel, invented Manifest Destony, destabilize democracy via the CIA, firebombed Vietnam, etc etc etc

And don't talk to me abt Chinese spying when the NSA and Five Eyes hoovers up and processes the entire internet.

Re: propaganda, read your own comment. The American propaganda machine got you to demonize China pretty well

And to top it all off, despite having a much smaller population AMERICA HAS MORE PRISONERS THAN CHINA. Its insane!

Nazis, also factual.

So I don't think I fully understand the last sentence. Do you mean it's not appropriate for specifically _minors_ to have a theme park about how Nazis are bad guys? Because there's a lot of western content to this effect, including movies and video games, which are also accessible to children.

If anything, Chinese content guidelines usually prohibit graphical display of violence, so it's much more of a milquetoast thing than e.g. South Park.

I never said china has never done anything bad. There is no such country on the planet.

China doing bad stuff doesn't make the bad stuff the other countries do disappear, and my point remains valid on which one is more of a threat to nationals of other countries.