Ask HN: Anyone pursuing this AI image idea (images to list of insured losses)?

13 points by mgav 1 year ago | 15 comments

The idea is for AI to interpret photos and videos and create a detailed and accurate list of exactly what was lost, so claimants can collect the full value of their insured losses.

Excerpt: “…Losing one’s home in a fire is devastating, with the first priority being to find somewhere to live. The trauma is then compounded by the onerous requirement of most insurance carriers to submit an exhaustive list of lost belongings — “with line items as specific as the number and brand of toothbrushes in a bathroom,” according to a report about unfair insurance practices.…”

Link to article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/realestate/altadena-la-fi...

Thanks @codingdave for suggesting this as an "Ask HN" post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42972221).

zarekr 1 year ago |

I had a client doing this in 2016. It was ancillary to their main business which was matching movers with homeowners. They eventually pivoted into an insurtech offering using computer vision models to do what you’re suggesting, collecting the data at the point of moving by using the movers to do the “heavy lifting” of scanning the items. They ended up being insurance intermediaries before folding so I’m not sure how valuable the idea is. Maybe things are different now.

daemonologist 1 year ago |

We (ML team) were brought in to talk to some folks at our sister company about this possibility. Our conclusion was basically that expectations were way too high - as mentioned in your quote they wanted a specific brand, model, and price for every item (from a grainy photo of a charred object, out of a scraped database of millions of items, with a correct hit in the top three or four results). Frankly I don't know how/if even the expert human appraisers manage it.

If you could achieve those results, it would be tremendously valuable. But I think you'd need a research team and ~~five~~ many years.

fudged71 1 year ago |

Oh I've been thinking about this a lot, from a different perspective.

Now that we can get highly detailed Gaussian Splats to represent spaces in 3D, there has been great work to do segmentation of these datasets. Theres a lot of momentum behind both of these ideas.

The technology is very nearly there, such that you could scan your home from your phone, and get a detailed segmented map of everything you own.

I believe I've also seen someone take a video and input it into Gemini and ask for a list of all the products. Some combination of these ideas really.

mgav 1 year ago | |

This is encouraging!

reportgunner 1 year ago |

Sounds not realistic. Imagine you have this list, how do you know it's complete? What if it's not complete and you think it's complete and you only find out something was missing when it was too late?

edit: You might as well work on software that keeps a list of everything you ever owned so you can just whip it out once your house burns down.

mgav 1 year ago | |

Hmm. Perfection is not possible on Day 1, but the status quo isn't perfect either.

reportgunner 1 year ago | | |

I expected handwaving instead of answers to my questions and that's what I got.

BoredPositron 1 year ago |

You can just write a gpt wrapper that is really bad for the job and get some seed money I guess.

ysofunny 1 year ago |

completing the absurdity of this:

an AI assistant that tells you what is in the picture as voice, so you can rest your eyes....

...hold on, that may actually be pretty useful for blind people

DITNUV 1 year ago |

Lmaooooooo(on)

aaron695 1 year ago |

It's certainly a brilliant app if it existed.

I'd suggest the decluttering movement, inventory, allergens, tracking lost stuff, would also find it a useful tool.

Decluttering passes Larry Page's "toothbrush test" FWIW

Sorry, can't answer your question.

beretguy 1 year ago |

AI should not be used for anything that requires accuracy.

metalcrow 1 year ago | |

everything requires accuracy. the question is "how much accuracy?"

mgav 1 year ago | |

Respectfully, that MAY be the case today, but not necessarily tomorrow (where the puck is going)

beretguy 1 year ago | | |

It will become the case when we will have confidence that it will provide expected output and be able to fix unexpected output if/when it comes up.