https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/nx-s1-5305269/tesla-state-dep...
It's saving costs, you see!
Every time their claims were checked, there were found massive mistakes and lies.
Repeating loendoes not make it true, despite people like you trying to use that tactic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/us/politics/doge-musk-con...
Then you also have to factor in how much money they’re going to spend in lawsuits for all of the broken laws, not to mention the cost of paying people not to work for months while trying to bypass Congress and shut down legally mandated programs.
(And then shipped a pile of recalled garbage)
They should’ve done what ford did. Make it just a regular damn pick up truck, no need for bulletproof nonsense. And it would’ve sold like hot cakes.
I still don’t think it would have. It’s useless for anyone who’s pretending they might haul stuff. It’s worse than useless off road. And it’s too small to appeal to the dudes who buy dualies to take their kids to elementary school.
Your first sentence is 100% dead on, except that it also completely failed to solve any of the problems people actually have (or, at least, problems they think they have).
>GM said its inventory of vehicles, which is the number of vehicles currently on dealer lots or en route, fell 8% to 549,312 in the first quarter.
So at ~50K ASP, GM has over $25B sitting in inventory.
>Used Cybertruck prices are down 55% year over year
It's wild to me folks lined up to buy this thing ... like I can understand enthusiasm for new things and all that but that's a big hit there. And even I think the prices are still high for the used ones in my area.
Once this pool was exhausted however, there is literally 0 demand. Tesla don't publish the number of Cybertruck sold, they mix them with model S / X, for a reason (the most transparent company on earth !).
Given the cratering demand, one has to ask how much money Tesla will bleed this year - despite all the hype around Optimus and other pipe dreams, at the end of the day, it's a car manufacturer employing 100k people, with installed production capacity that's now 2x the number of cars they were selling recently and the ratio is very quickly increasing. If history is any guide here, they are on a fast track to bankruptcy.
EDIT: Do not attempt to trade this ! It's become a meme stock at this point, and as we learned with GME, AMC, Hertz - even in case of real or virtual bankruptcy a stock can stay quite high.
Some EV trucks haven't sold this many in entire year.
I am much more interested in how the Tesla Semi Trailer is doing. And, the alternatives.
We could be saying how poorly the the Tesla solar roofing tiles are doing, but we'd have to acknowledge Tesla power storage is now critical worldwide. So, like any company it has hits and misses.
I think in the end all we're saying is that this was a hugely avoidable miss, but in PR terms at the time, it probably worked out. Long tail cost however.
Bit of "tail wagging the dog" in almost any brand-led discussion.
I don't personally know Musk, I certainly dislike his personal image. Doesn't seem my kind of guy. Interesting.
Who cares if you won some imaginary respect if you’re not selling?
UPS van sold lots… so that seems good.
The brand power of Cyber Truck was (in my mind) designed to boost sales across the board. While it wasn't available people bought other Tesla product, expecting a future upsell.
Thats all. UPS truck is a fine, economically justified, fit-for-purpose design. It gets all the (brand) respect it needs.
It turns out no one is an NPC.
I bought it knowing the features it had at the time, I don't need the icons rearranged in a yearly UI redesign, or the adaptive cruise control algorithm changing from one week to the next, or needing to fork out for some subscription every month. If there's a bug or two? I will have the car for years, it's something I'll figure out.
It's a tool to get from A to B, not another IoT gadget I want to have to worry about updating and babying all the time.
Ford’s F150 Lightning had a 2 year wait list. So there definitely was a market.
I’m not one of these people but just in my circles I had a neighbor who’s a lawyer who considered one, and another that’s a marketing exec.
And another friend who’s in IT pre-ordered a cyber truck.
There’s just no use case, IMO, where it sells to anyone who isn’t fully into what Elon was or currently is, or who didn’t buy the bullshit (self-driving, etc).
The F150 was the perfect electric truck - it can do real pickup things, but it also hits all the sweet spots for people who want a truck but don’t really need one (and who are willing to spend the premium).
And they've actually gone up in value, by quite a bit. $90k-$190k used, $25k new. Which is curious, since a decade ago, they were quite cheap.
What do you mean by "very concrete number"? And why do you consider DOGE's documentation to be substantiating evidence? I quickly searched through your comments and see that you're a Mormon. Do you likewise believe that the Book of Mormon is empirical evidence that substantiates Mormonism? If so, how do you decide which reading material is substantiating evidence and which isn't?
https://www.propublica.org/article/doge-government-waste-fra...
Are you comfortable tallying their $8 Billion -> $8 Million typo to count as savings?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-the-misleading-a...
They’re using DOGE to do something that avoids accountability.
Tesla sales were already slowing way before Musk turned full MAGA and he knew that. Competition showed up, states started cutting EV subisdes, especially in Europe etc. Tesla was never going to achieve the 50% / year growth that hey announced, and hit 20M car sales by 2030.
I actually think that may be one reason he did turn to Trump. It's a last ditch attempt at trying to save his empire.
People will point out that he is the richest person on earth etc etc. This is all based on valuation levels making pets.com like something Buffett could buy. The only liquid asset he has is Tesla. It's the only one on which he cashed in tens of billions of $, and it's the one he used as collateral to fund his other ventures. If it goes back down to earth, he's done.
Plus they mostly achieved that (accelerated the world) and pivoting to AI now.
Peter Navarro said that he expects Trump’s tariffs to bring in $6 trillion in revenue over the next decade.
The MAGA economic miracle is actually the largest tax hike in US history --- to be paid entirely by US voters/consumers.
Nothing about MAGA (or Musk) economics makes any sense. In the words of Warren Buffet, the tooth fairy isn't going to pay these tariffs.
Hard to grow GDP while also working to isolate the US economy from world markets.
This won't end well for most people --- but especially not for MAGA voters.