Show HN: I rewrote my notepad calculator as a local-first app with CRDT syncing

Show HN: I rewrote my notepad calculator as a local-first app with CRDT syncing(numpad.io)

46 points by tonyonodi 325 days ago | 28 comments

I launched NumPad v1 on here a few years ago, and back then it wasn't much more than a thin CodeMirror wrapper around the calculator engine I'd written.

Now I've rewritten it as a PWA that supports multiple documents, persists them to IndexedDB, and has a syncing service for paying customers. Syncing is handled by Automerge[1] under the hood, which should make it relatively easy to get document sharing working too.

[1] https://automerge.org/

johncosta27 324 days ago |

This is very cool. I was able to so some a small budget to see what my expenses are monthly, it's quite nice. I can see myself using it anytime I need something more than paper, and less than a full spreadsheet. Very cool.

idanp 320 days ago |

I always wished these notepad calculators would run plain python. POC - https://github.com/idanpa/jupad

zamadatix 321 days ago |

Super clean style of interaction regarding the units and general syntax.

Regarding the CRDT side of things what's the main driver? Syncing is probably better off without CRDT (I'd rather know a note had 2 copies significantly edited differently and now I have a sync conflict rather than no sync conflict but a hacked up note) so I'm assuming paid customers get (or will soon get) live multi user editing (i.e. you can trade local for concurrent usage)

tonyonodi 314 days ago | |

Yes exactly, I had live multi-user editing as a feature until just before launch. In the end it needed a bit more work though, so I had to pull it.

zuzzurro 320 days ago |

How do I do get the right result when trying: 200Mbps * 2hours? I get "400 Mbits/s hr" and that's not what I'm looking for. It seems to be working if I use seconds instead. 200Mbps*2s=400 megabits

tonyonodi 314 days ago | |

`200 Mbps * 2 hours in Mb` the second one works because the derived unit of the calculation works out to be exactly the same as a megabit, but that's not the case for the first one so you have to convert manually.

xz18r 320 days ago |

I use Numerals(1) in Obsidian for this, and it works great. It's built on mathjs(2) and has things like @total functions which automatically sum all uninterrupted lines above it.

1 https://github.com/gtg922r/obsidian-numerals 2 https://mathjs.org/

owebmaster 320 days ago | |

Mate this is a show HN post, not a "recommend me something" post. Don't be rude.

xz18r 320 days ago | | |

It doesn't hurt to list alternative products, right? Understanding the competition and lacking features. Mine isn't the only post in this thread mentioning other products that do roughly the same thing.

tonyonodi 314 days ago | | |

Honestly, I don't mind. It's useful to know about alternative products, and I hadn't heard about this one. Thanks all the same though :)

wslh 321 days ago |

Looking for other notepad calculators I found odd products like this: https://www.ubuy.com.ar/en/product/IP17JM9X0-calculator-with...

abfar 321 days ago |

Nice tool, but the calculator executes division before exponentiation. E.g. 2^4/2 is evaluated to 4, not 8. However, it executes exponentiation first before multiplication (e.g. 2^2*3 is evaluated to 12). Is this intentional?

bobeboph 321 days ago | |

This is intentional, even if unexpected, as shown in line 152 of the link (turn on line numbers in the settings menu). I agree that following PEMDAS would make more sense.

Edit: it's the equation below "Although if you want to find roots higher than 3..."

tonyonodi 314 days ago | | |

Yeah, you're correct, it's intentional. Though it's pretty gross to be honest.

zamadatix 321 days ago | | |

Maybe the author did intentionally break order of operations for shorthand on other roots, maybe they just forgot that's not how it's normally parsed. 152 doesn't comment on intent one way or the other, it just demonstrates how it currently is.

shepik 320 days ago |

The interface looks great.

Handling of "to" is a bit odd though.

150 kn in km/h [277.79976 kph] - this is unit convertion

150 kn to km/h [-276.79976 kph] - this is unexpectedly subtraction. I expected the unit conversion here, because of Raycast and Google

tonyonodi 314 days ago | |

Yeah, this was a deliberate decision, but a tough one and I can see why you might find it annoying. I think it makes date and time calculations more readable:

09:11 to 15:46

kragen 321 days ago |

That's pretty nice; I've made a few attempts at such things myself, but the UI flow seems pretty smooth.

What's the license? I wouldn't want to use your code if copyright law poses a threat.

tonyonodi 314 days ago | |

It's closed source

kragen 312 days ago | | |

Oh, okay, then I won't use it. Maybe it would have been better to say that up front instead of springing it on people later.

ajjenkins 321 days ago |

This is really cool. I’m not sure what I would ever use it for, but it’s a cool idea and seems well executed.

justusthane 320 days ago | |

I don't mean this as a knock on OP, but it's not a new idea — I think the best known apps in this category are Soulver and Numi.

I find them super useful. Using natural language and storing the context along with the calculations helps me to sort of think through problems.

Being able to define variables on the fly is also very useful — I often use them for pricing out materials for projects. E.g.:

  "8ft 4 × 4" = $15
  "8ft 2 × 4" = $4
  "8ft 2 × 8" = $12
  "8ft 2 × 6" = $6.50
  "3/8in x 8in carriage bolt" = $3.50
  
  Adjustable stand
  "8ft 4 × 4" × 4
  "8ft 2 × 4" × 2
  "3/8in x 8in carriage bolt" × 12
  Plans $12

(What you can't see here is that Soulver gives all the totals in a bar on the right).

Soulver has some examples of other uses on their homepage: https://soulver.app

tonyonodi 314 days ago | | |

There's a shout out to Soulver in the FAQ https://docs.numpad.io/#did-you-invent-the-notepad-calculato.... It's a great app, but Mac/iOS exclusive, and I think NumPad handles unit calculations a bit better (though I'm biased).

eviks 321 days ago |

Unfortunately doesn't support superscripts 6²

Also is it possible to use CRDT as rich undo history, not only syncing?

tonyonodi 314 days ago | |

Yes it is, and it's on my roadmap.

"8ft 4 × 4" = $15 "8ft 2 × 4" = $4 "8ft 2 × 8" = $12 "8ft 2 × 6" = $6.50 "3/8in x 8in carriage bolt" = $3.50 Adjustable stand "8ft 4 × 4" × 4 "8ft 2 × 4" × 2 "3/8in x 8in carriage bolt" × 12 Plans $12