Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism(the-open-source-ward.ghost.io) |
Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism(the-open-source-ward.ghost.io) |
Whistleblower: Huawei cloned Qwen and DeepSeek models, claimed as own - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44482051 - July 2025 (58 comments)
Also:
Huawei Whistleblower Alleges Pangu AI Model Plagiarized from Qwen and DeepSeek - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44506350 - July 2025 (1 comment)
Pangu's Sorrow: The Sorrow and Darkness of Huawei's Noah Pangu LLM R&D Process - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44485458 - July 2025 (2 comments)
Huawei's Pangu Pro MoE model is likely derived from Qwen model - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44461094 - July 2025 (1 comment)
Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei Ascend GPUs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44441089 - July 2025 (333 comments)
What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs.
What stops this from being the future?
I've had Claude 3.5, Grok 3, and DeepSeek claim that it was made by OpenAI.
I wonder does OpenAI has permission from all authors of works it "inappropriately distilled"? A pirate has no right to complain about safety of navigation.
I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B.
It never ends. There's no moat. One day your at-home GPU will unwind an entire hyperscaler's worth of expertise.
Does the capital outlay get them anything at all apart from a temporary lead?
While you couldn't download a car, your product use might train a low-cost competitor.
The rulings are leaning towards it being transformative enough to be fair use, so permission may not be required [1]. We'll have to see how it goes with Disney vs Midjourney.
> I think there should be a system that if country A illegally uses works of country B for developing an AI, it loses copyright protection in country B.
This would be pointless with China, since it's already how they operate, as continuously reported by the WTO.
But, I see your point.
[1] https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/two-california-distr...