Expert: LSP for Elixir

241 points by pimienta 322 days ago | 45 comments

prophesi 322 days ago |

There are several different LSP implementations of Elixir, each with their own pros and cons. Last year they all agreed to collaborate on an LSP; is this going to be the result of that?

https://elixir-lang.org/blog/2024/08/15/welcome-elixir-langu...

abrookewood 322 days ago | |

Yes, that's correct. Pretty exciting.

stanmancan 322 days ago | |

Yup

sorentwo 322 days ago |

The architecture is remarkable. The lengths they’ve gone to for language version compatibility, and protecting app namespaces is especially impressive.

https://github.com/elixir-lang/expert/blob/main/pages/archit...

nesarkvechnep 322 days ago | |

What are namespaces in Elixir?

jorams 322 days ago | | |

Namespaces aren't so much a concept in Elixir, but this refers to the names used for things like modules. Expert will rewrite the code of its "engine" so that the engine's code and dependencies and those of the application it is embedded into don't overlap.

ashton314 322 days ago |

Oo I’m excited for this. The old official language server is fine—it does its job on most of the code bases I’ve worked on, but occasionally I will do something funny that makes the compiler slow down and that pummels the LS performance. I hope this works out some of the kinks that occasionally would make elixir-ls slow.

mtndew4brkfst 322 days ago | |

Nit: there has never been an official LSP implementation until now, only community-authored. Even now no Dashbit employees or language core members are directly involved in this project in an ongoing basis.

IMO that contributes powerfully to the quality of the experiences of using any of the options.

gonglexin 322 days ago |

I’ve been switching between different LSP implementations for Elixir—ElixirLS, Lexical, next-ls—and have been following Expert for a while. Really looking forward to trying it out!

That said, the only thing that feels a bit off to me is the name “Expert.” It comes across slightly arrogant or presumptuous—like it’s implying it’s the only “expert” in the room. Maybe something more neutral would’ve been better?

Still, excited to see what the official tooling brings!

lionkor 322 days ago | |

It's not an AI tool. It's an LSP. It is the expert in the room, because it's not a random word generator, not smart, it just follows the rules that the language has.

phinnaeus 322 days ago | |

How did you find out about it in the first place? I remember seeing the Elixir blog post announcing the LSP project ages ago and then nothing since then.

buzzerbetrayed 322 days ago | | |

Do you frequent elixirforum.com? That’s where the elixir community resides. Jose and Chris post frequently there. As well as maintainers of popular libraries.

atonse 322 days ago | |

I found the name to be perfect. Just a little fun. It also goes with the ex-prefix you see in libs sometimes.

heeton 322 days ago | |

You're overthinking it. I'd rather have interesting than milquetoast.

SwiftyBug 322 days ago | |

How about "Fairly Knowledgeable, Always Humbly Ready to Learn from Others"?

FKAHRLO for short.

heeton 322 days ago | | |

Nailed it

vendiddy 322 days ago | |

how about "NotExpert"

NeutralForest 322 days ago |

Cool to see there's a long term plan for the language and the ecosystem!

epiccoleman 322 days ago |

Oh I'm excited for this. Editor support for elixir has never been quite as good as I'd like. I'm really happy to see they're investing in this - no lang with as consistently great a developer experience as elixir should be without a proper, official, well supported lang server.

Can't wait to try it out!

atonse 322 days ago |

Excited to see this after the blog post a year ago – I didn't realize they were working out in the open, because I was wondering how that project was going.

Any news on when we can start to use it in our editors?

Jtsummers 321 days ago | |

> Any news on when we can start to use it in our editors?

https://github.com/elixir-lang/expert/blob/main/pages/instal...

atonse 317 days ago | | |

I followed the zed instructions and now I don't get any output anywhere. Almost as if it just stopped working.

st3fan 322 days ago |

What does "official" mean? Is it an official elixir-language project? I don't see Jose Valim as one the contributors.

andyleclair 322 days ago | |

Yes, it is, as you can see by being under the `elixir-lang` github org

atonse 322 days ago | |

Here's a blog post a year ago announcing the merge of 3 LSP projects into an official one: https://elixir-lang.org/blog/2024/08/15/welcome-elixir-langu...

DrBenCarson 322 days ago | |

“Official” means built by the creators of Elixir itself

Elixir has more contributors than just Jose (though he is the OG / creator / leader)

mtndew4brkfst 322 days ago | | |

As with my comment in another tree, no, none of the Elixir core team or Dashbit employees are directly involved with this effort, though they may be advising informally and will likely submit a PR here and there.

https://dashbit.co/#team https://elixir-lang.org/development.html#team https://github.com/elixir-lang/expert/graphs/contributors

vittore 322 days ago |

Interesting choice to use just

mtndew4brkfst 322 days ago | |

It has both a justfile and a makefile at the root, even. Most of us seem to want to use it to throw make away entirely.

That said, I consider `just` very language-agnostic and useful because of that, and I consider mix pretty bad at any workflow needs that isn't directly concerned with BEAM.

zamalek 322 days ago | | |

It's not technically a make replacement (make does do things like incremental build management etc.), but it just goes to show how bad the DX of make is.

MangoToupe 322 days ago | | |

I think it's hard for me to name better software than make. TeX, maybe? that seems like an insanely high bar to clear.

lemonberry 322 days ago | |

For those not sure what just is:

Website: https://just.systems

Previous HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42351101

keeganpoppen 322 days ago | |

i'm a pretty big fan of just, personally, but do not consider that to be the world's most well-considered position by any means...

nivertech 322 days ago |

No MCP support?

shawa_a_a 322 days ago | |

For BEAM MCP you probably want to look at TideWave, which runs _in your application_ to give the LLM context and an execution environment.

https://hexdocs.pm/tidewave/mcp.html

0x696C6961 322 days ago | |

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a single MCP -> LSP adapter rather than having each LSP implement it?

nivertech 322 days ago | | |

Makes sense, except:

1. too many layers and worse DX

2. harder realtime updates

benjreinhart 319 days ago |

Woo super excited for this. Is anyone working on the official vscode extension so we don't have to build and hook that up ourselves, or is that up for grabs still?