Discord: A case study in performance optimization(newsletter.fullstack.zip) |
Discord: A case study in performance optimization(newsletter.fullstack.zip) |
You can make more precise decisions when you have complete control over the environment. When you don't, you have to make trade-offs. In this case, universality (electron and javascript) for higher RAM usage. It doesn't seem to have slowed Discord's adoption rate.
Even if they built their desktops apps in native code and UI, they'd have to build a JS website in parallel.
This has nothing to do wih the fact that Discord is a bloated, slow monstrosity.
> Even if they built their desktops apps in native code and UI, they'd have to build a JS website in parallel.
Oh no. The impossibility of building a site that displays text and images
Their current client stack is: Web: React Desktop: React + Electron Mobile: React Native + Native
Their commitment to React on so many platforms makes it easy to accumulate bloat. Their need to support lower-level features means they can't avoid native code altogether.
I wonder why they stick with it.
My guess is they don't want to add more hires just for this problem
Their 2018 commitment to RN: https://discord.com/blog/why-discord-is-sticking-with-react-...
Their 2025 complications with it: https://discord.com/blog/supercharging-discord-mobile-our-jo...
I, for one, do not.
But great that we get into some guy's ideation about how Discord is possibly cool, while it's undergoing a major scandal related to ties to Peter Thiel's surveillance company, Palantir, in the botched rollout of age verification[1].
My personal guess is that appearance of articles that paint Discord in a positive light on this forum (and lack substance otherwise) is simply PR.
[1] https://kotaku.com/discord-palantir-peter-thiel-persona-age-...
I hear this semi-often, but I don't really get it. The base UI of Discord is pretty normal / looks just like every other chat app out there. Is it the ads for nitro and stuff like that were the issue?
If you have a fast cgi service inserting a text message into a Postgres database, how many messages do you need until that doesn’t work?
Discord, especially the mobile app, is some of the shittiest, broken software I have encountered. The core protection team is absolute trash at their job
Front-end performance is not a hard requirement for most end users, unless the app is actually unusable. Discord isn’t that bad compared to some software I’ve used. You have to get beach balls on startup and complete UI freezes for people to really care. If it’s good enough for most people, shaving some MB off the memory usage or small number of ms off latency isn’t important to the business
Fair, but all of these things are user controlled. If you're using Discord for work or something, presumably you don't have a bright flashing animated server icon and avatar, your server doesn't have gradient roles, etc.
The super emoji are spot on though, those are fun but were really dumb from the get-go, and waste space in the reaction UI.
Other option would be to limit core features for non paying users.
I’m in more than one Discord that has more channels than routine users. Like there are 4 people that use it on at least a weekly basis but there’s a meme channel, a pet photos channel, a news channel, yada yada. Managing notifications is a lost cause because the server owner redecorates the server every other week into new channels and what not.
Profiles have gotten weirdly wild, to sell Nitro stuff. Statuses, emojis for the status, now flairs from a server, profile pictures, etc.
Constant notifications for junk. Nitro is on sale, some game I don’t play has a quest, etc.
It’s fine, but it feels like Discord wants to be more than a carrier for voice and chat and I really just want them to do that. I don’t need “Facebook with VoIP”
Likewise, and I find it quite annoying too, but I don't think it's really Discord's fault. They default to one text and one voice channel, after all. The ability to add new channels easily is a good thing, but people do go a bit crazy with it.
> Statuses, emojis for the status, now flairs from a server, profile pictures, etc.
The server flairs are kind of odd, but aren't the rest of those pretty bog- standard features for a messaging app?
I do agree the notifications are annoying, though. At the same time I get it, they do need to make money somehow.
Really? :/
What a preposterously audacious proposition: to think that an article that describes Discord as a "a finely-tuned system that delivers speed, scale, and reliability" (that's a goddamn chat app, glorified IRC) and casts Discord in good light, written while Discord is experiencing a major scandal, might not be entirely unrelated to the scandal.
More so when the said article offers no concrete details about Discord, instead wildly extrapolating from a few quotes from executives, making assumptions, and talking about what could have been done, all in a way that might as well have been ChatGPT's output.
Yeah, we think that shifting the focus from "Discord stuff in the news" (which is: forcing ID verification and face scans while having connections to Peter Thiel's surveillance business), something that benefits both Discord and Thiel, is quite a likely reason for glowing technical articles about Discord taking off on HN all of a sudden.
Hmmm, really? Just mentioning the biggest thing in the news involving Discord right now isn't relevant to a post about Discord, huh?
What can I say, you have a peculiar definition of relevance.
I love the mental gymnastics it takes to say that an article titled "Discord: A case study in performance optimization", which describes what Discord is, talks about Discord's architecture, and lauds it as "a finely-tuned system that delivers speed, scale, and reliability" isn't aKsHuAlLy about Discord.
>Hacker News always devalues generic comments like those
First: you are not Hacker News, please don't speak for others. Some people did find my comment relevant. They are just as much Hacker News as you are.
Second: my comment wasn't generic. It pointed out that the timing of this article is conspicuous given the news that, at the moment of writing that comment, were not discussed widely on HN.
Since then, someone has posted the exact link I mentioned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47021421
So, sorry, but reality disagrees with your assessment of it.