Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files(jmail.world) Related: Show HN: JeffTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797 |
Show HN: Jemini – Gemini for the Epstein Files(jmail.world) Related: Show HN: JeffTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47030797 |
Our development process has been interesting. Although just Riley and I first made Jmail, it's been really gratifying to see companies, journalists, and fellow developers like Diego rise to the occasion to make this entire suite of apps as high quality and extensive as possible.
Great, I've been looking to be able to contact you somewhere, hardly a better place :) Thanks for sharing the project btw, and for keeping jmail alive, been useful to dig into some stuff.
However, there seems to be some "injected" or "fake" emails, that I cannot figure out why they're there in the first place. For example this one: https://jmail.world/thread/55b91b46ef1e4487bee131a8505e14a4?...
For that example, the first problem is that there is no link to the source file from the disclosed files, which is strange, because most other emails have that. Secondly, this almost seems to be a "sponsored" email or something, as it has an ad in the top right corner reading "Sponsored by Drop Site News", but clicking that just takes you to some general page, with no clear information how that's related to the fake/injected email. Also, what does "Verified by X" actually mean, did they verify the authenticity of that specific email?
There seems to be a bunch of people confused by those emails and wondering where they are coming from, because it's missing the source link like the others, so there doesn't seem to be a good way to verify those emails. Could you maybe share a bit about what's going on?
He was a very famous figure in August 2019, and normal people spammed his inbox with emails like the below
https://jmail.world/thread/4accfb5f3ed84656e9762740081a4579?...
These are all real emails! We can do a better job making this clear to the user.
I wanted to reach out and avoid duplication of efforts, but I didn't know the best person to reach out to for this or if this is anything that can be collaborated on.
Are you planning to add date-sorted messages and deduplication/thread view at any point?
I would love to help out, if needed.
Makes it unsettling when it then shows orders for books you've also read. Hard to swallow having anything in common with such a person.
I would have also assumed he got his clothes from much fancier places than Amazon, considering his wealth. Can't beat two day shipping I guess.
Altogether his Amazon orders are disturbing in places, but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
>but also somewhat humanizing, which is not what I expected.
I am obviously not defending him or anything, but it always puzzles me how any of this confuses people. Whoever we may be, we are also humans, sharing common human traits and habits, and other people are just as real as we are. Every living moment, you unavoidably share at least some of the common beliefs, ideas, preferences, biases, habits, norms, values, goals, desires, fears, tastes, jokes, expectations, opinions and more with people you'd otherwise absolutely abhor.
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On the other hand, providing more fuel for sweaty basement dwellers to invent fake stories about elite lizard people while trashing the civil liberties of thousands of random innocents contacted by this dude? I can think of no better use case.
/s
yes?
Question: Does Blues Traveler appear in the Epstein files? Blues Traveler
Answer: Yes, "Blues Traveler" appears in the files, but not in a way that directly connects the band to Jeffrey Epstein or his activities.
Key Findings:
XM Radio Mention: An email from "XM Signal" dated July 8, 2008, mentions a "Starbucks XM Café Live with Blues Traveler" event. [1] This appears to be a reference to a broadcast or performance by the band on XM Satellite Radio. Analysis:
The searches did not reveal any direct involvement of the band "Blues Traveler" with Jeffrey Epstein or his associates. The mention found is in the context of a radio event.
It's important to distinguish this from the multiple mentions of "Blue Water Café," which is a restaurant and appears in several travel itineraries. [2][3][4]
Further Investigation:
If you have a specific reason to believe "Blues Traveler" might be connected, please provide more details. For instance, was there a particular event, person, or date you had in mind? This could help refine the search.
There's a reason most of the industry has switched to letting agents grep + navigate within the results.
Come to think of it, it's probably the same reason "intelligent" search engines were so consistently hated by end users, and never really panned out during the early 2000's.
but the other people cc'ed in the particular emails i found do pop up though. weird.
> The search failed because there was an internal server error (status 500) when trying to access the document search tool. The web search also did not return any usable results.
So about that specific thing, how do you avoid this particular problems with LLMs getting basic things wrong and basically being a lottery if the answer is correct or not? It's the reason I've avoided (and encouraged others to avoid it to) using LLMs too heavily in the process of reading, understanding and summarizing documents, but clearly you've must have figured out some trick to this?
As in, OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google's models won't follow instructions regarding forensics for this?
It also shows him as a human like other humans, which then makes me ponder is that person walking down the street also a monster? Could I become a monster like Epstein?
Such thoughts are very disconcerting
This Yahoo dataset, which we helped release after launching the first Jmail, also proved Epstein's connection to Iran-Contra (!!). Now immortalized on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Financial_trou...)
Why do the rest of the emails provide a link to the online file (original one hosted at justice.gov) but the "sponsored"/ad ones do not?
This for example: https://jmail.world/thread/HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_016203?view=inbox
Has a "View Original Document" which takes you to kind-of-the-source (ideally should have been link to justice.gov but better than nothing I suppose), but for the emails with the Dropsite ad, it seems there is no original document?
Many Yahoo emails do show you the original source, and the original is just an EML file. These were files directly exported from Epstein's Yahoo account. Bloomberg used these EMLs to confirm that the Yahoo emails are real (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-12/epstei...).
We don't tamper with these EMLs, so we currently don't make the EML accessible if the team had to redact any contents of that email.
See this for example.
https://jmail.world/thread/97d4a52d1df3948368770068262d2aab?...
We can fix examples where there are no redactions yet no EML download is available
“The Jmail Suite is an interactive archive of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, documents, photos, and more. Data compiled from the House Oversight Committee, Department of Justice, and DDoSecrets releases”
If I understand correctly, the emails you’re looking at are from a leak that is only accessible to journalists — so Drop Site News (as journalists) have access and have published some.
I'm also pretty sure these docs are already being used for training, whether or not Jmail / Jemini exists.
Also, just like LLMs hallucinate and it's up to the person to decide to commit the code into the repo (and they should be held accountable to that), the same applies to people who use this tool to release fake news.
Of course, we try to apply as many "ground-truthing" techniques as possible.
Journalists of all kinds are using Jmail already for their professional work and we are in touch with them when they give us feedback. For example, we've redacted victim's names that we would've not known except for the work of tons of volunteers and journalists—and yes, this was NOT redacted by the DOJ and should have.
But ofc, this is a thorny trade-off between victim protection and censorship.
Disclaimer: I actively work on jmailarchive!
IMO it’s (unfortunately) the public’s responsibility to learn the lesson that LLM’s shouldn’t be trusted without double checking the source — same position Wikipedia was in 10 years ago. “Don’t use Wikipedia because it has incorrect information” used to be a major concern, but that seems to have faded away now that Wikipedia has found its place and people understand how to use it. I think a similar thing will happen with LLM’s.
That opinion does not take the responsibility away from LLMs to continue working on educating people and reducing hallucinations. I like to think of it as equal responsibility between the LLM provider and user. Like driving a car - the most advanced safety system won’t prevent a bad driver from crashing.
Also, feel free to check Jwiki (FKA Jikipedia) at https://jmail.world/wiki
Convicted to be - proven beyond reasonable doubt. He's a child-trafficking pedophile who plead guilty, with mountains of evidence that are now public.
Whatever is left of the western social contract is disintegrating in front of us and the reaction of our societies has been extremely mild if anything - there should be mass protests over revelations of this magnitude.
like if you’re spending a few minutes a day on here reading what are you doing the rest of the time
Yeah I know, you wrote that reading about trafficking children is a hundred times worse than trafficking children, that is why I pointed out what you wrote
How is anything you mentioned in this response worse than trafficking children? Like I would imagine that trafficking children would be the worst possible thing, can you explain how it is not actually that bad? Like if you could start a sentence with: “This instance of child sex trafficking is not nearly as bad as somebody reading about it online and posting because: “
I do not like it. It is not fun for me.
But sometimes, as an adult, you have to do the responsible thing, and not stick your head in the sand.
Frankly, I'm disgusted that you're blind to this, and can only imagine that people only care if they are "tickled."
Your indifference only facilitates the perpetuation of harm. Pathetic.