ZJIT removes redundant object loads and stores

ZJIT removes redundant object loads and stores(railsatscale.com)

92 points by tekknolagi 60 days ago | 19 comments

Of all the facets of HN’s title autodestroy, I think removing “How” from titles is the worst one. I believe OP can edit it back in though.

(I passed over this article thinking it was a “look how mysteriously smart the mysteriously smart compiler is” acticle, not a “here’s how the smarts in a compiler work” one.)

dietr1ch 57 days ago | |

I think it'd fine having it be however broken it currently is as long as the correction was checked by whoever is submitting the entry before it gets published.

pjmlp 57 days ago | |

Yes, there is a timeout to fix title "corrections" after submission, but apparently still not well known.

QuantumNomad_ 57 days ago | | |

Not well known and also, submitter might not always even notice that title was automatically changed slightly.

claudiug 57 days ago |

for me is more interesting that Maxime Chevalier-Boisvert left shopify and is doing other stuff, who will carry on with zjit

maxime_cb 57 days ago | |

Max Bernstein is now leading the team. He's also an excellent compiler engineer.

claudiug 57 days ago | | |

that is great to hear!

schneems 57 days ago | |

You got your reply already. To add: YJIT is the one that does "basic block versioning" (Which was Maxime's thesis) while ZJIT is a more traditional design.

I am confident in that description but don't actually know what it means in practice (yes I've seen papers and talks, but I kinda need not-compiler-engineer to explain it to me.)

As I understand it BBV still holds promise, but the sheer volume of knowledge of more traditional methods might mean it gets better outcomes (also IIRC ZJIT is still lagging YJIT).

maxime_cb 57 days ago | | |

I gave a talk about ZJIT and the motivation for the change at RubyKaigi 2025 if people are curious. It's on YouTube.

riffraff 57 days ago | | |

> IIRC ZJIT is still lagging YJIT

It would be nice to have ZJIT on speed.ruby-lang.org!

rurban 57 days ago | |

She's at yasp since Nov 25. Probably earning much more than at Shopify, and can do AI

smj-edison 57 days ago |

I'm working on an interpreter right now, and I'm considering adding JIT support in the future. Are there other blog posts like this, or deep dives that talk about how to implement and tune a JIT?

hoten 57 days ago | |

I used asmjit to implement JIT compilation. Highly recommend it.

Maybe you'll find the resources I link to in the documentation for my project helpful.

https://github.com/ZQuestClassic/ZQuestClassic/blob/main/doc...

Or perhaps you'd find reviewing my usage of asmjit helpful:

https://github.com/ZQuestClassic/ZQuestClassic/blob/main/src...

My main high-level advice would be to have an extensive set of behavioral tests (lots of scripts with assertions on the output). This helps ensure correctness when you flip on your JIT compilation.

You'll eventually run into hard to diagnose bugs - so be able to conditionally JIT parts of your code (per-function control - or even better, per-basic block) to help narrow down problem areas.

The other debugging trick I did was spit out the full state of the runtime after every instruction, and ensure that the same state is seen after every instruction even w/ JIT enabled.

Good luck!

mchusma 58 days ago |

curious if zjit will be ready to be default over yjit next ruby release. hope so!