21,864 Yugoslavian .yu domains(jacobfilipp.com) |
21,864 Yugoslavian .yu domains(jacobfilipp.com) |
People in Montenegro: it's not .yu, it's .me
EDIT: apparently, "asking DNS servers for all the domains they know about" is not something you can really do anymore for security reasons. Guess that idea won't fly lol
https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db
(this doesn't have .yu)
There are actually a few nameservers that will just give all their domains to anyone who asks [0], but they are very much in the minority.
[0]: https://github.com/acidvegas/mdaxfr#tlds-that-allow-axfr
https://commoncrawl.github.io/cc-crawl-statistics/plots/tld/...
Previous HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43351793
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2001/06/20010629%2001-3...
On the other hand .su (soviet union) is still in use.
It is very unfortunate ICANN still hasn't address this issue yet. Although not yet, .io is in a similar situation with even larger domains active but the territory is changing hands from britain to mauritius.
World is connected by Internet, it needs to be preserved even after geo politics and borders change.
If Yugoslavia got a political transition as it happened in Spain to a social-democracy, (and yet the Spanish constitution states that all goods belong to the state in case of general intereset, such as a great catastrophe), they would evolve together and wars would have been a thing of the past.
As an anecdote, read about the creation of the Warajevo ZX emulator, a cross-ethnic colaboration from several Yugo people to get spare PC parts and books while avoiding snipers.
BTW: a country not existing is not an excuse. The Catalan language stretch over Spain, Andorra (the official language) and a bit of France and Italy. Ditto with the Basque language (and .eus domain).
.Yu could be reused for content written in Serbo-Croatian language. Ah, yes, the Cyrillic script, but today that task would be trivial, and I'm pretty sure that due to the exposure to the Latin scripts the Serbians can read Croatian texts perfectly fine.
for ccTLD it is, Catalan and Basque language TLDs are a different type / 3 letters.
Nice to see you here Trudeau!
Neighbors, brothers, friends, who spoke the same language and occupied the same cultural space, suddenly reduced to their narcissism of small differences and committing horrible atrocities in the name of a tribe.
And for what? For the chance of living in a dysfunctional rump state with nowhere near the relevance of what they used to have.
Technically speaking, "Yugoslavia" continued to exist until 2003, when the name finally got deprecated in favour of "Serbia & Montenegro" as one country (also including the territory of Kosovo), which itself only lasted 3 years before Montenegro declared independence (and Kosovo did the same 2 years after).
So however you spin it, the domain outlived the country by at least 5 years, arguably 15(ish), 9 of which were post-war(s).
The break-up of Yugoslavia was a long, arguably still on-going, process, the final phase of which happened peacefully. Serbia and Montenegro, that made the post-1992 Yugoslavia, agreed in 2003 to change the name of the country to Serbia and Montenegro, pending the Montenegrin independence referendum scheduled for 2006.
Considering the possibility of another country name depreciation in three years, they agreed to keep the yu domain.
Fun fact, had the Montenegrin referendum gone the other way, the plan was to use .cs as the national domain, which used to be owned by another ex-country, Czechoslovakia.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220122221632/http://www.juga.c...
So I'd say it's highly likely they'd be delivered, as it's still mostly the same, though I should point out many cities changed names since. For like the most basic example, Montenegro's capital was called Titograd between WW2 and 1992, before it swapped back to being called Podgorica.
I have no doubts that snail mail addressed to Yugoslavia still exists and probably gets routed just fine
(The USSR dissolved before the world-wide-web was even a thing.)
If Barclays can get their own vanity TLD then Yugoslavia should be able too.
I get items delivered to me, to this day, because at the time of account registration the address form had only Yugoslavia.
Slovenia and Croatia were the most developed parts of it and would be burdened by fiscal transfers to undeveloped regions of Bosnia Macedonia and Kosovo. I'd argue Croats and Slovenians enjoy a higher quality of living with a government that can focus on the needs of its own citizens.
You don't need political relevance or even resources to develop a great country. Look at Denmark as an example.
It was a major political power not just in the region, but globally. Tito led and co-founded the Non-Aligned Movement, and effectively maintained sovereignty during the peak of the Cold War. It had a unique liberal flavor of socialism, where people enjoyed high standards of living, intellectual and cultural freedoms, freedom of movement (the Yugoslav passport was accepted globally), housing as a social right, decent wages, universal healthcare, etc. People were generally very happy. This is a big reason why "Yugonostalgia" still persists today.
Yes, the regime could be considered a dictatorship, with a strong police presence, and there are documented human rights violations, but it was far from an oppressive country.
Slovenia and Croatia were indeed wealthier than other regions, but the fiscal burden you mention is part of the socialist system that ensures a respectable standard of living for everyone. This doesn't work if there's a large wealth disparity between regions.
Yugoslavia was an interesting country with a unique political and social model which was not perfect, but IMO had less faults than the systems we have today. I think it's shortsighted to say that it would have the relevance of Bulgaria and Romania today.
No side is without blame. Everyone did horrible things, everyone is trying to tune out their own atrocities and emphasize the ones committed by the others.
Yes, the Serbs did horrible crimes. But ask the population of Mostar if the Croats were without blame. Ask Serbs how they felt about their treatment by Bosniaks in Čelebići.
As long as we keep this pretense of "our side good, other side bad", we are falling for the same trap that caused this mess in the first place.
Bratstvo i jedinstvo, a ništa drugo.
Today each country might not be as relevant as Yugoslavia once was, but there's relative peace in the region, and the countries that are part of the EU today are significantly better off in many ways than they were before. It's a miracle that the Yugoslav experiment lasted as long as it did, so perhaps we should accept that the only way southern slavs can coexist is in independent states.
Pozdrav!
Is this how our allies think?
The old quip about NATO is that its purpose was to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down. I don't know how much that really reflected elite sentiment or not.
EDIT: well it was coined by the first Secretary General of NATO so make of that what you will https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hastings_Ismay
In post war Germany the sentiment of relative status compared to our allies in the most powerful people was mostly gone. You can expect as we move more towards the right, and WW2 gets more and more forgotten, it will come back.
They even put it into their National Security Strategy: https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/12/make-europe-great-...
You could’ve stopped there.
I can bet a half case of Guinness what if you describe that to a modern American sans the mention of the country most whould confirm what this is what happening now.
Oh Hystory, YSOAB.
https://data.commoncrawl.org/projects/hyperlinkgraph/cc-main...
and the specific file that's every host we've seen in the latest 3 crawls is:
https://data.commoncrawl.org/projects/hyperlinkgraph/cc-main...
Did NATO not have a Secretary General for the first three years? And what does that say of the organization that elected the guy who said this as their first SG?
I get that I'm saying this as a outsider, but isn't that a very mild way to describe a civil war and a genocide?
They were part of the larger, longer, and not always violent, process of the break-up of countries named Yugoslavia, leading to the deprecation of the .yu domain, which the thread was about.
The Albanian speaking countries really punch above their weight for English language pop stars with global presence. ~7.5 Million Albanian speakers globally gave us Bebe Rexha, Dua Lipa, Ava Max, and Rita Ora. 22 Million Romanian speakers for a comparable post-Communist community and I don't think I know any pop stars with that background off the top of my head.
But Romania gave us the Dragostea din tei (Numa-numa song :)
I can understand .su continuing because Russia pretty much took over everything that represent Soviet Union elsewhere (embassies, Security Council seat, etc) and other former Soviet states either support the continuation or indifferent. Yugoslavia continuation is more contentious topic.
Which subethnicity started it or whatever doesn't fucking matter., this whole line of thinking only leads to more hatred, more destruction, more dysfunction.
As a Croat, my enemy is not my fellow Yugoslav, my enemy is the nationalist thugs on all sides that destroyed my country so they could rule over their hateful little fiefdoms.
Bratstvo i jedinstvo is coming back, under a blue flag with yellow stars. Montenegro is joining the EU next, with Schengen etc bratstvo i jedinstvo between crna gora and hrvatska will be restored.
It's more accurate to say "whoever had the upper hand at a given time" was using their temporary advantage to terrorize the others over the last couple centuries.
Given this, it's easy to understand why Serbs wouldn't want their friends and families living in states administered by people who were massacring them with the backing of Nazis and/or Ottomans within a generation.
It doesn't justify the atrocities of the Milosevic era, and it's still technically correct that "yes, the Serbs were the lone bad guys" but only if you choose to look at a certain decade and pretend history doesn't exist before that: which is very much how the American news media at the time "sold it" to justify U.S. involvement in the region.