Show HN: Actual Claude Tokenizer

Show HN: Actual Claude Tokenizer(tokenizer.robkopel.me)

3 points by robkop 28 days ago | 4 comments

I've seen a few "Claude tokenizers" floating around lately with all the 4.7 chatter, but most of them just hit the count_tokens endpoint and hand you back a number. You don't actually see how your text gets split or understand the changes from 4.6 to 4.7.

I built this a while back for doing some mech interp research. It faithfully represents Claude token splitting - showing hidden tokens, real boundaries and so on. It is not cheap to run - essentially n^2 cost - you could optimise for longer sequences but you are not guaranteed a faithful representation if so.

Open Source: https://github.com/R0bk/claude-tokenizer

Feedback welcome, let me know if there are any edge cases that look wrong.

P.S. I'd expect this to face a similar fate as streaming chunk and prefill based token extraction methods did. I do worry about the ability to do independent research once it's fully closed off and would love it if there was more public frontier tokenizers.

anonymoushn 27 days ago |

You can't reliably obtain correct token boundaries with this method. For example, "'d" is 1 token, but the API will return "d" stuck to the next token. Weirdly this seems to be specific to the letter "d". Similar stuff happens around "<". About all caps words, some words are in the vocab in all caps, such as MERCHANTABILITY.

robkop 15 days ago | |

Could you please elaborate a bit more for my understanding?

What in particular about this method breaks correct token boundaries?

On my first read I read your comment as there are special tokens that require multiple tokens to emit, hence you can't get certain tokens emitted alone - but I don't think that's what you're getting at on a second read?

Interesting that you've found similarities between "d" and the hidden tokens for opening an xml tag, pressing caps lock and the other hidden tokens of note. I haven't run into any trouble extracting "d" tokens, is it a particular model that you see create that pattern?

anonymoushn 14 days ago | | |

That's " 'd ".strip(), an english contraction suffix. it's 1 token, but using this echo approach you will be served the apostrophe and the subsequent letter for the first time in different steps.