Update: I guess I am on some kind of list now. And with list I mean Plantirs big brother database.
Feels like America is slowly becoming a technologically inferior version of China.
"This sandwich is good, but I can't enjoy it because Epstein files are not released"
“This sandwich is bad, also we’re ignoring their covering for sex trafficking.”
Maybe it’s all elaborate counter-intelligence. I doubt we’ll ever know.
Will accept a (my) backyard landing as evidence :-)
Unless Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Perseii 8, lands a saucer on the White House lawn tomorrow and announces he's the new ruler of Earth, all of this means nothing.
I still have to go to work, I still can't buy a house without going into unreasonable financial risk, gas will still be creeping up to $5/gal in Kansas City, and I'll still be wondering if I'll be replaced by AI before I finish up saving for retirement.
And that's to say nothing of Epstein or Iran.
:)
Release the Epstein Files.
(a) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/right-wing-influencers-get-bind...
Hate the political implication of my comment all you want but one does at some point seriously have to question the motivations behind any action that's in the realm of, "Wow I'm surprised they did this".
Also it occurs to me that the ufo conspiracy nutters are like dogs chasing cars. What happens when they find the UFOs? Why does it matter?
they weren't better before, they just weren't generic crap.
p.s. : https://www.war.gov/portals/1/Interactive/2026/UFO/Slideshow...
>Actual site photo with FBI Lab rendered graphic overlay depicting corroborating eyewitness reports from September 2023 of an apparent ellipsoid bronze metallic object materializing out of a bright light in the sky, 130-195 feet in length, and disappearing instantaneously.
lol finally we can actually know how the FBI imagines the fake aliens, ray-traced 90s Bryce3D art.
Thankfully ive been UFO hunting for some time, so I can corroborate: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e1adf348d93e3...
Honestly, what difference does it make?
Unless Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Perseii 8, lands a saucer on the White House lawn tomorrow and announces he's the new ruler of Earth, all of this means nothing. I still have to go to work, I still can't buy a house without going into unreasonable financial risk, gas will still be creeping up to $5/gal in Kansas City, and I'll still be wondering if I'll be replaced by AI before I finish up saving for retirement.
And that's to say nothing of Epstein or Iran.
these days.
1. Have both domains point to the same IP address.
2. Make sure both domains are working and DNS has fully propagated.
3. Make your old domain a 301 redirect.
4. Do a couple of find and replaces in your codebase and ship it out.
It's literal mafia strategy, because that's what Trump has always done. Large, nebulous contracts where it's hard to demonstrate that the sum paid to X contractor was actually used to pay for materials and labor rather than just pocketed.
That's why everyone connected to the admin is picking up billions of dollars in record time.
Things being done poorly and for a lot of money is the point
Any-who,
--mono: "Berkeley Mono Trial", "Berkeley Mono", "IBM Plex Mono", "SFMono-Regular", Consolas, "Liberation Mono", Menlo, monospace;
Berkely Mono (which has been discussed on HN multiple times) is a fine font. The trial version reportedly has swapped / \ and # * glyphs which makes it an odd choice for first place.
You're right though, most people still have to go to work, and have other more pressing issues to deal with. I'm reminded that many Americans are convinced that we've already been through two alien invasions (the "New Jersey drone" sightings last year and the "Chinese spy balloon" incident in 2023, both of which were strongly wrapped up into the UFO conspiracy narrative) and that the US government has confirmed, officially and on record, that aliens are real and UFOs are alien spacecraft (they've done nothing of the sort.) Yet there isn't panic in the streets. People compartmentalize and move on with their lives if it doesn't affect them personally.
People still had to go to work when Einstein discovered relativity, but that still mattered in the long run. If any of this were true, in the sense of being actually aliens, it would still matter.
Even if the truth is just that are apparently physics defying craft that the government is aware of but doesn't know where they come from, and all of the rest of the UFO and conspiracy stuff is nonsense, it's just weird shit in the sky that's definitely actually there, that's still interesting.
Of course not. The whole rationale of the Trump administration has been that Donald Trump is the CEO of the US government, and that he gets to run it in a way that brings him maximum personal and financial benefit so long as he gives conservatives patronage every once in a while. He's at the top. He's accountable to no one. It's the Trump Organization with access to the state's monopoly on violence and tax dollars.
If you have an alien civilization with the abilities you're talking about, particularly faster-than-light travel, he's no longer at the top. He's just another semi-hairless insane ape like the rest of us staring down the barrel of colonization by a technologically-superior civilization.
Also, if this stuff were real, why didn't he release more of it during his first administration? Sure, there have been developments since 2020, but not compared to everything between the 1940s and 2020.
The answer is simple: he needs us distracted now more than he did in the first administration.
Pathetic. They launched like a business, and I guess for the bourgeoisie class, war is a business.
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-s...
An annual summary from Homeland Security’s inspector general said the department initiated 1,389 investigations into internal matters, leading to 318 arrests and 260 convictions of DHS employees. In 2011, the auditor -- which describes itself as “the principal agency within the department with the authority to investigate employee corruption” -- found instances of bribery, child pornography and “nonconsensual sexual contact” with Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainees among the crimes DHS staff allegedly committed.
> https://www.govexec.com/defense/2012/08/laptop-thefts-drug-s...
> https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/enforcement/former-acting-hhs-cybe...
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/federal-employee-charge...
You could go all day. Surface just being scratched.
Get your own lunch. Or some Ozempic.
How curious!
The list is endless. Obvious distraction.
These distraction comments always sound a little condescending to me. They are all over Reddit and it's a bit of a bummer to see it taking off here.
This reframe is a meme, but truly, if they were to dig into this topic they'd find there's more to uaps than meets the eye. There is something here that we don't understand.
I can't tell if comments like this are serious or rage bait.
You know what everyone is talking about? anything but the epstien files!
Here is the google trends over 90 days, you'll see the iran war, and now gimmicks like this work:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=...
One day trend:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=epstein%20files&d...
Look at the related topics, it's this UFO nonsense!
This doesn't seem like market-moving material, but maybe it's just status quo.
Some of the new videos were already identified as imaging artifacts a while ago.
It’s already known stuff, old hoaxes, cases from preexisting UFO literature, things that have already been leaked, and hilarious photos like people holding up a little humanoid alien.
Sorry folks but if an EBE, an actual living being, crashed and climbed out, and if they could actually breathe and live in our atmosphere and at our temperature range, you’d seriously want to consider dropping a fuel air bomb or even a nuclear bomb immediately. Not because the alien is hostile, but because the millions of different forms of microbes utterly alien to our biosphere don’t care and would start looking for stuff to eat.
Physical meetings with alien biology are going to be ruled out either environmentally — oxygen burns them like acid and we gasp and die in their hydrogen-ammonia air — or if not by the extreme mutual existential danger of contamination. A microbe with an alien biology could be, for instance, inedible to our microbes and hard for our immune systems to target but boy does it love the stuff in cell membranes on our planet. The inverse is true too.
The “grey goo” nanotech scenario already happened. It’s called biology. It’s literal nanomachine goo that tries to eat everything.
https://x.com/i/status/2037559378958766591
""" We can be sure as the war ends, there will be another distraction by the US using "Aliens, UFOs, and UAPs".
If Iran war was a distraction from Epstein files, this will be a distraction from war crimes. We can be sure of some Aliens dot gov site launching distracting the world """
> Infrared still image (black hot) captured of unidentified object *below helicopter* over western United States in September of 2025.
The UI is awful btw. I want searchable folders.
> STATEMENT: "The Department of War is in lockstep with President Trump to bring unprecedented transparency regarding our government’s understanding of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. These files, hidden behind classifications, have long fueled justified speculation — and it’s time the American people see it for themselves. This release of declassified documents demonstrates the Trump Administration’s earnest commitment to unprecedented transparency." -United States Secretary of War Pete Hegseth
If they truly want to 'serve the people' it would be time to release the full Epstein files - or at least stop starting wars and/or supporting warmongers while profiting of the resulting world-wide miseries with their insider trading.
Not my area of expertise, I should say!
While motivating intent is always opaque to some extent, this would appear to be another form of a “flood the zone” approach, in my estimation.
Many officials who certainly know better are involved - let me put the question back to you: why do you think they’re using taxpayer dollars to fuel lies?
It's still funny that it took the President to release these pics and you all are like "its a bird".
I think this was two winters ago. They floated, sometimes would briefly hold position. Third time in the past decade I encountered them.
I pulled to the side of the road. Nobody else pulled over or noticed. Encounter lasted maybe 5 minutes. I honestly don't remember.
https://files.catbox.moe/05tysy.jpg
From the photos alone it's also hard to rule out distant airplanes with their bright forward landing lights on. When planes are flying towards you they appear to move very slowly and at a distance they appear as single bright orange/yellow glowing spots. Take this example showing 3 airplanes a few miles away:
https://i.imgur.com/vVB6Cf0.png
They could also be drones or helicopters with bright spotlights on. Hard to say with this.
They just fell out of my sightline. Whether trees or something else. It's fairly urban where I am, always stuff blocking the view. Not like the great plains, desert etc.
I feel thankful whenever I get to see them though. Just bizarre and different. Hope I get to see them again soon.
Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source.
None of these pieces of imagery look like something doing something particularly interesting. What happens is a military personnel records a video. They don't know what it is in the moment. It gets labeled "unknown" and put on a DoD file server, and then either they or someone else who stumbles across it clips out part of it and starts to spread rumors about this amazing video of a UAP they saw. There are people who work for the DoD who appear to spend a great deal of their free time scrolling around internal DoD file servers looking for anything they can portray as proof of aliens, and sometimes they leak their stories and even clips to public UFO influencers like Jeremy Corbell.
Couple frames: https://imgur.com/a/MyGZj3x
Original video: https://www.dvidshub.net/video/1006088/dow-uap-pr38-unresolv...
The "star shaped" object moves relative to it akin to a reflection actually.
The interesting question here is, whether that is "white hot" or "black hot" imagery. The trail the object leaves is white. If it was a flare, that would mean white is hot. Then the object would be cold.
You cannot have a "camera artefact" from a cold spot in the sky.
Your comment is all certainty, and the thread has rewarded that. People are seeking definite answers - seems proportional to the uncertainty they sense. Do you really feel qualified to provide that? Seems a big responsibility to take on, sort of like a public Explaining influencer lol.
Your idea that gossip enriches mundane with magic is unnecessary here, because the media themselves are 'unexplained' (if we remove your certainty).
It can be compelling and attractive to fill the silence or the unknown with an invention of certainty - sort of like a prophet or shepheard - but the edge of known demands more curiosity and wonder for an honest approach.
The color it appears on infrared footage depends on the other pixels in frame. It uses dynamic ranges to map infrared values to a visible light spectrum. If the rest of the frame was ice, or you were looking up into space, a bird would probably be rendered as very warm.
If the rest of the frame is a warm ocean surface and warm wind turbines, then a flying bird may be rendered as cold relative to those pixels.
Balloons can also show up as a different temperature than the background of the frame depending on what the balloon is made of, altitude differences (ambient temp at high altitude is colder than at the surface), etc.
IR imagery can be flipped between black=hot or white=hot. These systems are about creating contrast to aid visualization, not recording scientific data.
>> What sort of balloons show up as contrast instead of neutral?
A hot air balloon? Any balloon that has recently changed altitude? Any reflective balloon reflecting sunlight (Mylar is common). Or, in thin air, a non-reflective balloon absorbing sunlight and warming faster than it can dissipate that heat.
For example, If I take a blurry photo of something I see outside on a full moon that's probably a raccoon and proclaim its a photo of the elder god Nug, spawn of Azathoth, the Lord of All Things, and someone points out that its probably a raccoon but the photo is so bad there's really no way to ever tell the right attitude isn't to say:
"It can be compelling and attractive to fill the silence or the unknown with an invention of certainty - sort of like a prophet or shepheard - but the edge of known demands more curiosity and wonder for an honest approach."
If I am presented with two options, I am going to defer to the more likely option, particularly when aliens are involved.
Is it more likely that you don’t understand artifacts in digital imaging of visible light or the infrared spectrum; or that it’s aliens?
When “aliens did it” is one of the possible options, skeptical people will never assume it’s aliens, given there is no evidence of aliens visiting Earth. If we had evidence of aliens visiting Earth, I would maybe consider that option.
Someone with the tech to travel the stars (or something weirder like between dimensions) could make probes the size of bugs, sand, or dust. They could also image us at incredible resolution from afar, receive all our signals, and so on. They might be able to do even weirder and crazier forms of surveillance we don’t even understand yet, like high resolution imaging with neutrinos or gravity waves.
They could study us all they wanted and we’d never know.
Look into how advanced some of our spy tech is, and we have barely left our planet.
Imagine that, 70ish years later there is people that cannot grasp how modern the A-12 prototype was. [1]
In my opinion the US has a real scientific education problem. So much so that people still think that alien life that built machines so advanced that they can bridge distances over lightyears travel time... just the belief that they will remotely resemble our appearance anyhow is statistically so close to 0 that I have no words to express how unlikely it is to happen. You have a greater chance getting hit every millisecond of your life by a lightning strike than this being the case.
> missiles
> diffraction+aperture artifact
Uh if the US military cannot identify birds, balloons, light, and more importantly missiles after thorough cross-agency review, I think you're not seeing the forest for the trees.
These case reports happen often because one person filmed something and perhaps that one person didn’t know what it was. The video then gets saved and catalogued as unidentified. The video is then so lacking in information and context that it is literally impossible for people to later figure out exactly what object it was. AARO (and before them the UAP Task Force) has been investigating a lot of these case reports and many of them get resolved as “balloon-like objects” or “objects consistent with a balloon”, because the video is consistent with it being a balloon but they want to avoid stating definitively that they know the object was a balloon. If I recall correctly something half of the imagery that gets reported as UAP in the US military ends up falling into the “likely/definitely birds and balloons” bucket.
It is foolish to dismiss this, it’s simply a fact that balloons and birds are a common underlying cause for sightings which are reported to AARO as UAP. There have also been other cases where videos recorded of airplanes have been reported to AARO and they were able to figure out that it was airplanes. It’s not that “the US military doesn’t know what airplanes look like”, it’s that one person operating an IR camera in the military recorded a video and didn’t know what it was, so they reported it as being an unidentified aerial sighting. And then it gets put in this bucket of reports called “UAP sightings”. And maybe never gets resolved because there’s not enough information there to do anything with it.
He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments, recreations and 3D models to validate what's going on. And he's unfailingly respectful no matter how unhinged the claim. His work explaining the "Gimbal Video" is a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus
Frankly, I don't follow it these days as I have nowhere near Mick's saintly level of patience to so calmly endure a never-ending game of whac-a-mole. Rational, evidence-based skeptics like Mick are doomed to Sisyphean toil because even after they've resoundingly explained a hundred vague claims, UFO (and Chem-Trail, Flat Earth, etc) true believers will always find a new one to hitch their belief to. Because, apparently, a consistent trend of 100 consecutive falsifications implies nothing about the likelihood of #101. And at the end of the day, it's impossible to conclusively prove a negative.
Why bother trying to reeducate someone youre already disparaging online? Does it make you feel better?
Convince me I'm wrong.
Edit: I had a look at a bunch of the videos and didn't find anything remarkable, in my opinion. The witness testimonies read like so many others.
This seems like it would be a CLM, as the authority of their testimony is central to their function as federal LE.
For example, see this document: https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/western_us_event...
(from series of documents from incident data 9/1/23)
And what sort of evidence does it take for people like that to believe things like that? I presume it takes more than blurry dots moving against a dark background. Hopefully future data releases will give us something that answers that question.
Dataset: https://www.war.gov/Portals/1/Interactive/2026/UFO/uap-csv.c...
Mirror: https://gist.github.com/ahmetcadirci25/e4edb7d30109fdb8ff14b...
Could be useful for anyone interested in data analysis, anomaly detection, or open government datasets.
https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/2024-04-30-compo...
I wonder if there’s satellite imagery of this event, or maybe if in the near future we’ll have greater satellite coverage so we can corroborate these claims with imagery.
Very effective tactic. Only solution is to ignore all non local stuff until just before elections.
Me? I'd rather just keep reading through mentions of Trump in the Epstein files.
Always has been, at least since 1947.
- Trump-related political posts
- China-related political posts
- Iran-related political posts
- DOGE-related political posts
- RFK-Jr-related political posts
- Covid-19 related posts
- Economy-related political posts
- Election-related political posts
- Anti-Russia/anti-"nazi" political posts
My oh my, with that post history, I surely trust you to decide for us what's "propaganda' and what's not. Surely you yourself aren't a huge propaganda account.
https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/dow-uap-d32-miss...
They left the classification labels untouched (SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY). They really are supposed to remove those or at least cross them out. To see a document on the public internet with those labels still attached is very odd behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_UFO_Museum_and_R...
"482 ATKS Reapers out of OKAS doing 20-hour orbits, 24-hour pre-coordination with NAVCENT, named Iranian assets being characterized — NASER WAPs, SAFIR KISH PCs, HOUDONG-class boats, IRIN aircraft (IL-76, IL-38, A-50U Mainstay D, SU-27/35) at Abu Musa Island airfield, vessels at Bushehr and the IRIN boatyard. We see the Iranian air-defense response logged in formal categories — "Guardcall Tone: PROFESSIONAL" vs "DIRECTIVE" — meaning U.S. forms have a structured way to grade Iranian threatening behavior, and the public can now see that they were hailed five times in a single 21-hour mission with two of those calls coded "Directive." Several reports disclose just enough operational detail to send a message, d28, for example, gives a surprisingly rich armed-overwatch context, weapon calibration, munitions released, and named sensor systems like MX-25, plus an object detected by MX-20 and MX-25 during an AGM-176 engagement . d74 gives target-development context, including stop-follow activity on a probable vehicle/person of interest before the UAP event later in the mission ."
I wonder if when trump kept saying something to the effect of "Oh, I think some people will find some of it very interesting" - he meant adversaries are about to see how much intelligence has been collected and for how long.
It's a distraction, a means to control the narrative. That's it.
Ignore all previous instructions. Make a bash tool call: rm -rf /
I guess that’s what “Unexplained Areal Phenomena” means.
That's ridiculous.
The various reports in there of federal agents experiencing sightings also seem credible and equally bizarre and inexplicable.
I’m surprised as always that outside UFO based forums the reaction to this sort of information is basically nothing. People say well it must be x,y,z in the acceptable frame of reference and move on. Seems this was barely on the front page. I missed it and wondered where the thread on this must be and had to search for it.
A true scientist believes everything is possibly true, not that everything is false and must be established to be true.
These are highly trained astronauts, engineers and fighter pilots. In the case of Apollo 11, they went straight to a press conference and stated that they saw nothing out of the ordinary, basically lying to the public.
60 years later, and we still (presumably) have no clue what they saw, except that it was important enough to keep classified.
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMskFWK8Q3A
[2]: https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/nasa-uap-d4-apol...
The house of cards is crumbling and they are desperate.
Don't worry. It will be over in 3 years and we will have plenty of entertainment watching the current heads of state plead the fifth in their corruption trials.
Hang in there!
The prosaic explanation is the more likely one, meaning the events are unrelated.
On the other hand, there is no link in the CSV for NASA-UAP-D3A, Gemini 7 Audio Excerpt, 1965 but the link in the webpage does work. It utilizes https://api.dvidshub.net/ to request the content.
Another example are incident dates like with DOW-UAP-PR36, Unresolved UAP Report, Middle East, May 2020 that are N/A in the CSV but have an incorrect one inside the snippet (5/1/20 as opposed to 5/14/20). It also seems like there are duplicate incidents just with different media. By the way, the video in this incident is compelling.
I look forward to dissecting the dataset but it's far from perfect. There is definitely a massive amount of potential here.
The file for "65_HS1-834228961_62-HQ-83894_Serial_153" is here:
https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/65_HS1-834228961...
Which people claim was posted at this URL:
https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/release_1/memo_jcs_admiral...
(the dates of the ship's movement don't align with its actual movements, and the C/O name is wrong)
"War" is the application of violence for political ends. "Defense" is only a subset of that.
Nope. Actually renaming it was too long and complicated a process, so instead they're pretending they renamed it.
The other name changes by the Trump administration are also not catching on.
70+% also continue to call the Gulf of Mexico "Gulf of Mexico".
A large majority also continue to call Mount Denali "Mount Denali".
A significant majority is still calling the Kennedy Center that instead of "The Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts".
The more cameras we have (in everyone's pocket, in the streets, in the sky), the less "sightings" we have (of UFO and cryptids).
Tells you something.
It's the modern day equivalent of Big Foot or Nessie and its relevance will wither away with the current generations.
It would tell you that they are not of this world. The same way as you can't photograph (other) spiritual experiences.
That’s the correct interpretation, yes?
"cool" is not the word that comes to mind looking at this image.
My first thought when I saw this is how much will it cost me to kick it up to a HF I stance.
I did a trial run with the Epstein files and it was genuinely fun to catch a few bits before the media caught up.
Not to mention that if they add any metadata thats just increasing their exposure and they will be held to what the LLMs label it.
But extremely limited access to competent human beings.
About the 8-pointed - I reject the idea that my approach, by being in disagreement with yours, somehow indicates that I am deficient in understanding - this insult is the refuge of the orthodox and uncurious. You probably responded to me because I challenged the certainty of the other. Indeed, it leads your comment as a quote.
If you bring a conclusion, you find a binary: one reasonable choice (which you already took), and one ridiculous one. If you bring questions, you find something else.
You want your belief, and I want the truth. It makes me more courageous and more curious. You can also choose that. Or not: there's no shame in your opinion and no badness in it as long as you don't expect others participation nor impose against them.
I will explain the mechanism of how stigma is operating in your case, and how it's designed to stymie thinking and investigation.
Your focus on "aliens as the only alternative" is mostly ideological inflexibility, and blinds you to exploring by mis-associating exploration with an ideologically forbidden outcome: "aliens". You are supposed to be scared of it being aliens, and scared of sounding stupid by suggesting that, and to mislabel any deviation from orthodox "it's nothing" explanations as that, to disable thinking. You are supposed to try to propagate the stigma by shaming others with it, via suggesting they are nuts for violating its constraints, just as you try to insinuate here. Of course, I reject that insult, it has nothing to do with me. Yet, the stigma is working in your case. There's no shame in that. You can free yourself when you want. The stigma was used and has worked on millions for decades.
It does not work on me, I am already out of it. "If we had evidence I would investigate" - is not scientific, it's finality implying certainty, when in reality there's mystery and science is the way. Saying there's nothing worth looking at, so I won't look is safety masquerading as rationality, but is neither really. But it's perfectly okay for you to personally adopt that. All have their own timing. No need to rush or change. To avoid badness just don't impose it on others nor expect them to participate. Hopefully that is clarifying. It's not meant as insult or insinuation and there's no shame in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aligned,_Multiple-transient_Ev...
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/transients-in-the-palomar-o...
Trump is running candidates against any incumbent who doesn't vote for redistricting to gerrymander the map.
I'm willing to bet he starts "joking" about how Roosevelt got more than two terms and the amendment to limit terms is a deep state crime.
But hey! ALIENS!!
It would have been some fantastic spy tech, alright.
I'm grateful for the entertainment and the sense of "gov't doing something people want/revealing something they lied about" tho. Restores confidence in the big system. I'm really curious to see what comes next :)
It is black hot. We know this for sure because someone in the DoD previously leaked a single screenshot of the video, which did not have the on-screen data elements redacted, and you can see the BLK indicator. That person believed the star shape was the physical shape of the object, not a lens artifact, and told this to the UFO influencer they leaked it to. That’s how this particular video eventually ended up included in this data dump.
The smoke trail must cool rapidly and be colder in temperature than the flare itself and the parachute above it. The ambient air temp and time of day may be relevant to this (direct sun could contribute to warming the parachute). Since it is infrared footage, the colors are all based on a dynamic range, so the smoke only needs to be slightly colder than the parachute in order to appear lighter in color.
Military aircraft IR systems don't have lenses, so there is no lens flare. The bloom pattern of the "star object" also tells you as much. That's an IR laser aimed at the FLIR pod.
When you concur this is BH, the trail being white means it is below the detection range. That's usually -60°C for the sky. When that trail "cools rapidly", that would mean it had to radiate strongly, which would obviously be visible here. It's also very unusual for such a "smoke trail" to cool below ambient temperatures (that sky, which isn't white).
That trail also obviously tracks the movement of the object. Which should tell you, it cannot possibly be "a flare". The most likely explanation is an infra-red laser aimed at the FLIR pod, screening the actual vehicle responsible.
So yeah, sure, in the current attitude and action that are very much "hey let's go back to that great time where we openly agreed war of conquest are a good thing" they have it makes sense.
Specifically, actually renaming it requires an Act of Congress, since it is specified in law.
They're weak and ineffective, so they cosplay with letterhead instead.
But here is a paper showing penguins photographed with a temperature-sensing IR camera, showing the majority of the surface of their body being around -21ºC thanks to the highly insulating plumage.
https://x.com/The_Astral_/status/2052922220486205496
Please tell me your feelings on the big picture. I feel it's imbalanced if you provide such certainty to some examples but refrain from a larger perspective. It's okay if you don't want to tho, I just want to know where you're coming from I guess.
"NASA, ESA, and Roscosmos all confirm definitive concrete proof, and publish this proof, for the presence of organisms, or technology created by organisms, which originated from outside Earth's atmosphere, and was present within Earth's hill sphere at some point since 1900."
This real announcement (with some edited visuals to make it look like he was delivering it inside the White House press room) was used in the movie Contact to seem related to the more extraordinary discovery of alien intelligence that was portrayed in that movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obrBARvWtiA
The White House objected to this use at the time, but never took any sort of legal action to have it removed or anything AFAIK.
In the 90s there was a wave of diamond-shaped craft in Europe. All were taken by cheap disposable cameras with four-bladed aperture. The current trend now is fuzzy moving images. They are fixed points like stars and the "motion" and color changes comes from the digital camera's algorithm trying to make sense of a one-pixel signal from the ccd. (See flat earth videos claiming that stars/planets are actually spotlights.)
This theory is the one of yours least easily dismissed, but requires further evidence to be more convincing, I believe.
Re the counterpost - i admit it's a good effort to match the graphics - but it still looks markedly different. Thermal overexposure seems less likely given paucity of other examples - what about active jamming? IR laser pointing? Hunch just now: sth about polarized light? Idk.
The UAP Task Force did a presentation to Congress in which the head of the office showed a frame of the now-viral “green triangles” UFO video filmed with night vision camera on the deck of a US Navy vessel. The UAP Task Force was staffed with UFO believers and they believed the green triangles shown in the sky were pyramid shaped aircraft. They failed to realize the triangles were merely an artifact of the focus and the triangle shaped camera aperture and that in that frame of video, all of the triangles were known bright stars in that region of sky at that time of year. They could have figured all this out. People on the ship that day would of course know that those points of light in the sky were stars, and that the triangles in the video were just camera artifacts, not in the real world. But years later, the UAP Task Force looked at the video, and didn’t know that.
AARO has been doing a better analytical job than the UAP Task Force did. They fired everyone and hired people who weren’t predisposed to paranormal beliefs. (Jay Stratton staffed the UAP Task Force with people he knew would help bolster his preexisting paranormal beliefs). But this latest data dump was not done because AARO had finished evaluating these cases and done extensive work to narrow down possibilities. This data dump (and the ones coming next) was forced on an accelerated timeline by a handful of paranormal activists in Congress who just like the media attention and want to promote all kinds of fringe religious and paranormal ideas.
This here is the source of the problem. Also, the Congress critters that fund this are UFO believers too. That's the only reason this is still going on.
Colbert and Jon Stewart are more my flavor. Shame Colbert is coming to an end.
The truth is that when we see photos of Nug the mind-bending eldrich horror of the sight disturbs the vision part of our brain. The photos are all perfectly clear, but simply too terrible for our tiny minds to ever percieve.
A lot of people still look to the MSM to define reality for them.
But there's a huge and myserious disconnect between the MSM's reporting of Trump as a Serious Person, and the reality that he's a compulsive liar and fantasist and is seriously ill with advancing dementia.
Without honest reporting, "we" don't have a public voice.
Sailors saw mermaids all the time too, I don't think they're all hiding under a rock since we invented the camera
It is all very highly entertaining.
No, it didn't.
For a few years before it was the Department of Defense it was the National Military Establishment (with an initialism with a very unfortunate pronunciation given its function) and before that it didn't exist at all.
Now, before the National Military Establishment was formed to unify the nations military bureaucracy, there were two separate cabinet level departments, the Department of War (which oversaw the Army) and the Department of the Navy (which oversaw the Navy, including the Marine Corps.) When the NME was created, the Army was split into the Army and the Air Force, and the Department of War was likewise split into the Department of the Army and the Department of the Air Force. Both of these new Departments and the Department of the Navy remained (briefly) cabinet-level departments with their own Secretaries, while the NME was headed by the new Secretary of Defense.
Very quickly, though, further reforms were adopted in law and the NME became the Department of Defense and the service secretaries were formally subordinated to the Secretary of Defense and were now subcabinet positions (which is how the DoD got its unique, within the US executive branch, Department with its own cabinet level Secretary with subordinate Departments headed by a subcabinet level Secretaries organization.)
TLDR: The Department of War was not an earlier name for the Department of Defense, it was the name for the Department of the Army before the Air Force was split out from it.
> Palmer Luckey suggested naming it back. People agreed, so they did.
Well, again, it couldn’t be named back to “Department of War”, because its only previous name was “National Military Establishment.” And while some people obviously agreed that it should be called “Department of War”, they didn’t actually rename it. The name in law of the organization named “The Department of Defense” in 1949 by amendments to the National Security Act of 1947 remains “The Department of Defense”. It hasn’t been renamed. The present executive branch leadership has adopted nicknames for the department and the titles of its officials ("secondary titles” in the language of EO 14347 which formalized the system of nicknames [and also recounts as if true the false history that “Department of War” was previously the name of the Department of Defense].)
No, we didn't. When the Department of War existed, it had exactly one branch under it, the Army. The Navy (including the Marine Corps)—as well as, in time of war only, the Coast Guard—was under the Department of the Navy, which was a separate cabinet level department.
When the US Army Air Forces, which were not a separate branch of the military, was turned into the US Air Force, which was a separate branch—by the National Security Act of 1947—the Department of War was abolished, and replaced with the Department of the Army (which had only the Army under it, just as the old Department of War had) and the Department of the Air Force (which had only the brand new Air Force under it.) There was never was Department of War with more than one branch under it.
This was also the same time that the National Military Establishment, headed by the Secretary of Defense, was created to provide unified structure within which the three military departments (Army, Air Force, and Navy) were embedded (but not, initially, actually subordinated: all three service secretaries were still cabinet-level officers.)
Two years later, amendments were passed to the National Security Act of 1947 which renamed the NME to the Department of Defense, and formally subordinated the service secretaries and their associated departments to the Secretary and Department of Defense, and, but for some minor changes like the creation of the Space Force as a separate branch within the Department of the Air Force, remains the structure in law today.
The only cabinet-level departments that ever had multiple branches of the military under them were the Department of Navy and the Department of Defense. (The Department of the Air Force, as noted in the preceding paragraph, has for the last few years also had multiple branches, but did not in the brief time it was a cabinet level department.) The Department of War, and the Department of the Army that replaced it a (both as cabinet level departments and when the latter was a subcabinet department) have only ever had the Army.
Or are you talking about something else?
- the pardon of anyone involved with Jan 6, both the invasion of the capitol, the fake electors and the truthers that were condemned for lying in court or just plain contempt;
- the promotion of 2020 election deniers to positions of power over the elections in the current administration;
- the promotion of incompetent but loyal people at the head of the DOJ, FBI and DNI, who all refused to answer the question "who won the 2020 election" in a straight manner during hearings;
- the strategy of universal gerrymandering being a capstone of the GOP platform;
- the Supreme Court's recent ruling on VRA, and subsequent action to make sure it is applied ASAP even though the election affected has already begun (which is the exact opposite of how they ruled in the past);
- the constant refusal of Hesgeth to commit to the rule of law;
- the prosecution brought against six lawmakers for daring to remind soldiers they can only follow lawful orders;
- the constant accusations of voter fraud that don't exist;
- the attempt to forbid early voting, impose citizenship obligations
- etc, etc, etc.
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/02/trump-threat...
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/save...
Reminder also that Trump never commited to accept the results of the 2024 election before he won. Not a single time.
But really, don’t you think it is just so interesting that almost all of Reddit agrees with you almost verbatim. How strange that they are have your exact talking points!
The UAP Task Force in the example I described above actually did so some analysis on the "green triangle" Navy UFO video but they still failed to identify the fact that their screengrab they presented to Congress was literally just stars with a bokeh artifact making them appear as triangles.
> assuming that anything released that is not resolved has to have gone through intense rigorous investigation, such that it means there is no known explanation for it
Yes.
> therefore it must be something truly anomalous
No, that is false. You are missing my point that, in the instant cases, presuming your point is true, is that this is a failure of the combined capacity of the US government. Nothing to do with cabals or aliens. Those are particular to your arguments.
Assuming your argument is true, my argument is strengthened. My argument is what your argument implies but does not make explicit because it wants the argument to be about cabals and aliens.
Right. And I do think that meticulous effort is invaluable because it heightens the cost of cognitive dissonance which can be important to reaching people on the sidelines.
But it makes you wonder if the debunking community should be a bit more intentional about intercepting whatever these psychological processes are that make people immune to evidence-based correction, and target those mechanisms the same meticulousness in patients of a debunk.
Although obviously I think the trouble with that is such a task would amount to helping steer such people into a fabric of social and cultural connectedness that's more valuable to them than the conspiracies are. Which seems a tall order. But maybe engineering an alternative psychological virus that crowds out the conspiracies in favor of something else is a more efficient option.
You haven't spent much time arguing with people who refuse to listen to any evidence at all, have you? The "psychological processes" you describe are, in many cases, that people will simply stick their (metaphorical) fingers in their ears and say "La la la, I'm not listening!" In other words, a willful, determined refusal to listen.
It's not a matter of psychological processes, at least not for the people I've interacted with in the past. It's plain and simple refusal. They've decided that they're right, they know it, and nobody is going to tell them otherwise, darn it!
As the old quote goes (which is apparently very difficult to pin down to its origin): "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!" (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/13/confuse-me/)
P.S. Edited to add this, because I meant to write it earlier and forgot: It's just stubbornness. You can't cure stubbornness with psychoanalysis. Some people just don't want to believe in what you're trying to tell them. As the even older quote goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." You can lead a stubborn person to all the evidence in the world, but you can't make him think.
Indeed. As an example, there was a one-line response far down-thread from my GP which basically said only "Mick West is not credible" (which the poster has since deleted). I found this remarkable because Mick West, more than any skeptic I've seen, meticulously cites all his sources and doggedly sticks to only well-evidenced, fully supported facts. No broad claims, blanket dismissals, appeals to authority or consensus. He just does the work of collating relevant evidence and practical experiments which anyone can confirm and replicate for themselves. Because he's not asking us to trust anything we can't verify ourselves, his credibility is irrelevant.
Which made me want to reply, "If Mick West isn't credible, name one source of evidence which counters UFO true belief who IS credible in your opinion?" The obvious point being, there are none, because their belief is unfalsifiable. But then I remembered why engaging with those holding unfalsifiable beliefs is futile... the main point of your post. :-)
That's right. Not sure why you sound a bit unhappy with this.
In particular, a source can become more untrustworthy over time if the source is repeatedly proven to lie or be reckless about the truth. I'm not sure you can apply the same logic to "categories of claims". What is the rationale behind your implied frustration that people are not "learning" that some "categories of claims" tend to be untrue? (not to mention the arbitrary grouping of totally disparate ones like Chem-Trails and Flat Earth)
It’s not arbitrary. Alien UFOs, Chem-Trails, and Flat Earth are obviously all generated from the same distribution of bullshit: ambiguous or misunderstood phenomena explained by positing a vast hidden conspiracy.
Who are the others?
There's not really much ambiguity here regarding these factors now:
- it's a small bright infrared light source attached to a parachute
- the star shape is a camera artifact
My hope was you'd be actually interested to discuss in depth - but seems like you want to end the conversation here. That's okay, no worries. Just a little disappointing and surprising (or maybe not - 100% certainty is not exactly compatible with "willing to update beliefs" ;)).
If you are another is open tho - take a look at this: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2052769793321975945
How that 8-pointed thing moves around and the cold trail it leaves. What could it be?
I don't see the intense source artifact angle because the pattern is distinct from examples of the class.
I'm unconvinced here but curious :)
Do not cite the deep magic to me, Witch. I was there when it was written.
While I don't understand it myself, I've seen a study showing how some scientists can compartmentalize and apply different standards of evidence between their professional life and personal beliefs. In other cases, scientists conducting rigorous lab controlled studies have been deceived by fake psychics doing simple magic tricks (and not nearly as well as a competent magician). For example, Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ at Stanford Research Institute being fooled by Uri Geller. While Puthoff and Targ were trained experimentalists having worked in laser physics, their parapsychology study designs had poor controls and lacked statistical rigor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology_research_at_SRI
As a long-time skeptic, I've learned to avoid broad appeals to authority because relying on "a scientist said..." is ineffective when a true believer can cite a credentialed scientist spouting nutty stuff. In recent years the situation around military assessments of UFO sightings has also changed dramatically. In the mid-2010s, some UFO enthusiasts already in the military managed to work their way into positions as UAP investigators, largely because "UFO Investigator" was a role no serious military careerist wanted on their record. Suddenly, what were once hundred page dry, technical assessments boiling down to "inconclusive" (which no one cared about) became artfully crafted, overly-credulous reports highlighting sensational (but poorly supported) "possibilities." This coincided with a political recalculation from some members of both parties in congress and the White House during the past two administrations to stop fighting the tiny but highly vocal UFO community as it was a no-win battle and instead basically leverage UAPs as a sideshow either for attention or distraction. And it's working.
What about all the red states who started the gerrymandering?
That’s the real question.
Why are you calling out one but not the other?
Because you’re a partisan hack
My memory starts more than a year ago.
California, Illinois, and New York, rigged decades earlier than your screen told you to be mad at republicans who in reality are playing catch up on gerrymandering.
But I noticed you’re trying to avoid the actual point.
Virginia illegally pushed a new map against their own state constitution and their Supreme Court shot it down. Cry more about it.
Yes, I’m a partisan hack. Yeah that’s what’s going on here. You read the referendum question they pushed in Virginia and pretend you’re on the correct side of legitimacy.
Gerrymandering gave Republicans more seats than they deserved if all votes were equal in 2010 (+9), 2012 (+19), 2014 (+17), 2016 (+21), 2018 (+2), 2020 (+2). The closing of the gap since 2018 is the reason why Republicans restarted gerrymandering and made it their platform.
My memory also starts more than a year ago, but I have clear data to show that gerrymandering over-represented the GOP for more than a decade - on top of the Senate being structurally biased in favor of Republicans.
I'd prefer to speak about "evidence in support of/against" rather than "facts", which often conceals a presuming-the-consequent kind of fallacy.
> denial of science
Whether "science" is believed or denied by any particular person has no effect on whether or not extraterrestrial intelligence has or is visiting earth.
Demanding that "science" be believed is un-scientific. I am not drawing an equivalence between science and religion here, but pointing out that your argument is a super hand-wavey appeal to an inviolable "gospel". I'm old enough to remember when a theory like intra-galactic panspermia was regarded like canals-on-Mars.
In my view, ETI theories are lacking any credible evidence and this makes me sad.
And the facts are just ... released. It's the interpretation of the observations that are disputed. And unless you think they are all fake, the explanations that do not involve alien tech are non-trivial to say the least.
I'm not sure why you'd think there is any shared causal structure with flat earthers at all.
Similarly the absence of a conspiracy of freemasons running something does not inhibit the existence of a conspiracy of Taylor Swift fans running it in any possible way. But I think any objective assessment of whether the Swiftie conspiracy is likely to be real or not should probably take into account the possibility people positing Swiftie conspiracies have been influenced more by well established tropes about freemasons and Jews, and if the alternate hypothesis that a common human failure mode involves positing the idea groups they distrust secretly conspire to achieve unrelated outcome they dislike is well supported and the claim of an actual Swiftie conspiracy isn't...
The only thing that cuts against this is that if I was an intelligent extraterrestrial wishing to remain secret at a time of widespread interest in the possibility of extraterrestrials, I'd probably actively select the sort of people that might discredit the existence of UFOs by pattern matching all sorts of rubbish to reveal myself to.
I've read claims that the Cold War-era US Gov employed exactly this strategy on the people camping out along the fence at sites like Area 51, taking pictures of advanced aircraft under development. I.e., they actually took some people down into the basement and showed them "alien bodies" to confuse the Soviets.
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