I think they are lying to you [video](youtube.com) |
I think they are lying to you [video](youtube.com) |
Their apparent inability to get the basics right makes me severely doubt their claims of self-improving AI. The humans at Anthropic wouldn't know improvement if it landed on their lap and started twerking, and AI cannot do a job without strong human intervention into what the goals and guardrails actually are.
I'm kind of reminded of when Microsoft claimed it took a team of Ph.D.s to write a terminal application that updated at 60fps, and then Casey Muratori did it over a weekend. And this was before AI was writing code in earnest; when LLM-induced brainrot really sets in, civilization is in for a world of fresh hurt: lots more generated code, almost all of it garbage. And the promised AI crossover point where it becomes AGI, or indistinguishable from for software design purposes, recedes into the infinite future.
A true era of ignorance, looking like an ocean of nonsense in which no one can really navigate as it is ungrounded in reality.
Idiocracy presents a naively gentle positive version of such future but there are many darker ones possible.
Kali Yuga, indeed.
Remember how they used Brando to water plants and it kills them? Eventually mistakes break critical systems and you fail.
World was probably more ignorant before but internet/computers as a space was better because it consisted of a different set of people.
There is still a ton of people that do understand quality and produce high quality stuff obviously
This is the same Microsoft that is now rewriting the TypeScript type checker, parser and its developer tools in Go after realizing that the bottleneck was...the performance of TypeScript itself, which is a basic compiled vs interpreted difference.
> And this was before AI was writing code in earnest; when LLM-induced brainrot really sets in, civilization is in for a world of fresh hurt: lots more generated code, almost all of it garbage.
Some folks using LLMs wouldn't realize why it makes zero sense to use TS / JS for building performant and optimal applications. This is why people were experiencing significant rendering bugs in terminal apps (they are not designed for that) and slow starts with Claude Code, which was completely vibe coded with Ink.
If you don't understand the basic fundamentals of what you are working on with LLMs and bugs are creeping up left and right, then you are just sinking in your own comprehension debt.
He could have done it in 13 seconds instead of 13 minutes: "Anthropic is lying about the effectiveness of agentic loops because there's this one screen flicker bug in Claude Code that took a year to fix."
Yeah, like when United Airlines claims a plane can fly 300 people 6,000 miles they are lying to you.
I can prove they're lying to you because people have been complaining about uncomfortable seats and flight delays for literally decades and those issues still aren't fixed.
If i had unlimited developers at my command. All many times as fast as me.... how can i keep the problem? It would take some huge effort to keep.
The unlimited number of devs would talk about it an unlimited number of times. Not fixing it would be very expensive that way.
The lie is coding is solved, the proof is they had an outstanding coding issue they were working on for over a year while saying coding is solved. There’s a great number of other issues with their own software that disprove their premise, but you only need one counter example to disprove something.
And because you missed it, the subtext was they want you to use loops not because they work but because they burn lots of tokens thus making them more money.
He could mean a few other thingsc one would be, he has like 20 version tags and he merges 15 features into each version (does he explicitly say merge to main?)
The other thing he could mean is he has like a software engineering agent and that software engineering agent like loops through GitHub issues and his personal notepad and maybe uses a few different branches to test things out and build I dunno adversarially, running all sorts of experiments.
Which would be genuinely cool! But using Mr’s to say tweak bunch of variables back and forth isn’t what 300 MR’s implies.
But then the ultimate question is - it may be cool to fully automate a software engineering agent, and certainly is the type of research Anthropic and someone of Boris’ stature (and pay level) should be working on. But is it efficient?
I guess yes hems talked about this:
https://karozieminski.substack.com/p/boris-cherny-claude-cod...
Another point I would like to bring up is this, I do not believe the idea of ”solving coding” is appropriate. I do not see these agents as replacement for our crafts, but rather, as a assistive tool for us. Its an extension of us. If you are at the beginner stage of something, and have a wrong approach for something, the agent amplify that issue (a bit of prompting can help mitigate this for beginners ofc, for example the agent can act as a teaching instructor).
I feel like some people don’t know how good Claude Code (the harness) is at general tasks as well, not just coding. It have helped me troubleshoot a lot of issues in a variety of environments, from things in the local machine to external services to the web. It has truly shortened my time of sitting stuck infront of the desktop, starring at the screen while out of ideas.
A lot of you don't want to hear it but this is a user issue.
Everyone else needs to start treating them that way, or you're going to regret it once you realize what's actually happening.
"Sanders Releases Report on Big Tech Oligarchs’ War Against Workers, Warns AI Could Eliminate Nearly 100 Million U.S. Jobs": https://www.help.senate.gov/dem/newsroom/press/news-sanders-...
"How the American Oligarchy Went Hyperscale": https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/04/american-oligar...
"AI Is a Threat to Everything the American People Hold Dear": https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/ai-is-a-threat-to-ever...
To be clear: I'm an extremely experienced software developer. I use AI daily. I'm currently working on training a DNN that's used in production by enterprise companies around the globe.
But there's absolutely no doubt that AI is being deployed as a weapon by the capitalist class against everyone else, and that's only going to amplify and get much, much worse. The issue is not necessarily the technology itself. The issue is how society permits it to be used.
Isn't anything else a surrender to irrelevance? I agree that many coding tasks that were previously effort intensive are now not effort intensive, but there's no ceiling I'm aware of on how correct and performant and economical and capable software can be short of saturating the hardware.
And the emergence of agentic intelligence at scale demands new regimes of performance and correctness and economy like maybe nothing else ever has.
I have an anecdote related to TUI flickering in that my TUI library had a flickering problem because it was doing more than 10k FPS, and so I had to lock the buffer swap to the vsync to stop it tearing.
AI coding didn't make more React too cheap to meter, it made notcurses bound into Trinity-inspired deterministic replay event substrate over io_uring possible.
I definitely can do more with them, but the speed up isn’t anywhere close to an OOM. I would say they let me drift into scope I probably didn’t understand when I started, and that can be dangerous waters, but I absolutely use them as a tool to speed up my understanding of that new territory. And I wouldn’t say that pushing the boundaries of my understanding on ambitious projects is in anyway unusual for me. It’s just that I can push a little further a little faster.
A lot of you don't want to hear it, but you aren't doing better than Anthropic so unless your use case is ridiculously simple, Claude Code is the ceiling for what you're creating, and if what you're doing is at all complex, the ceiling is much much lower.
Hmm people say this all the time in these discussions but idk if I buy that it's really a "user issue". It's really, really not hard to "use" agentic ai. It literally involves instructing an llm to do things in natural language. Anyone who knows how to code and speak a language can do this. As you yourself seem to believe, even people who don't know how to code can do this. I just don't think it's possible that THAT many people are having an issue typing some words to instruct an llm to write some code. Maybe the issue is more the type of software you are working on vs the type of software that other people are working on. I don't know, I just don't think "skill issue" is really a valid argument here...
Edit: for the record, I think what Opus can produce is extremely impressive. But I still am not really close to letting write 100% of code I write. And I think that is true for a lot of people, not just me. It still generates (sometimes obvious) bugs. Until that stops, the statement "coding is solved" is objectively false, which (I think?) is largely the point of the video.
Do you have any publicly available demonstrations of this claim?
> A lot of you don't want to hear it
That there are skill differences in the use of technology? On the contrary this knowledge makes me suspicious of undocumented claims like yours.
> this is a user issue.
Another claim I wish was quantified. With all the billions invested I assumed this would naturally come to exist. I may have just missed it. Any pointers?
Yeah I mean for example I wrote up a new audio mixer application for TDE using basically claude and just saying - hey rewrite the old ALSA one with Pulse/Pipewire.... its awesome. I dont know how it works.,
I am currently building 4 projects at the same time using a boilerplate I developed for my own projects.
One thing many people who are new to agentic coding harnesses may be missing is that a lot of workflows are personal to how the developer approaches design and implementation. So if you message me, please keep in mind that my approach may not align with how you approach software development.
That said, I will do my best to abstract my process so it's applicable for your work. I would also recommend reading OpenAI's article on harness engineering: https://openai.com/index/harness-engineering/
DMs are open if you genuinely want to know how I work :)
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> The diagram below shows the rule: within each business domain (e.g. App Settings), code can only depend “forward” through a fixed set of layers (Types → Config → Repo → Service → Runtime → UI). Cross-cutting concerns (auth, connectors, telemetry, feature flags) enter through a single explicit interface: Providers.
This sounds so much like CQRS/hexagonal/DDD/other stuff. This is like the stuff that real world software teams actually struggle to execute on. This is the stuff people want solved. I don't think anyone doubts that if you can nail some sort of rigid, well-defined architecture and tooling workflow, agents can fly on filling in implementation. But it's the first part that needs solving.
I am in no way surprised a sufficient waterfall method passed to Claude code could result in a completely accurate application. But most applications aren’t built via waterfall for all the reasons.
Also agents are just loops. So if you use Claude Code you are doing. Everything with a loop. So I do believe him but Im not entirely grokking the flex.
Aspects of coding are faster certainly, but oh gosh can it get very wrong very fast when things go sideways, and with everyone using it, the chaos factor compounds into a near halt.
"You're right, I shouldn't have done that" Ya think?!
I think the world changed. And it's changed for the good. AI is a tool, and we should not be afraid of this tool for the coding world. I am only speaking about coding, I'm not speaking about other uses of AI, just so that we're clear on the scope of what I mean by good change.
For the first time, I see people who had all these ideas finally bring them to reality and watch it blossom. They wanted to build something to share with their communities, but the walls were too high. Too much gatekeeping. Too much of thinking that programming was a task for the elite few and not for the masses. Along the way, we all forgot that we build tools for people. And having an additional tool help us make better tools for people is a win. Just below this comment, I see people talking about dementia, "lots more generated code, almost all of it garbage", "future where garbage software".
I think the only delusional ones are the idea that humans were better at coding. Have you never had to work on an older project? One that you did not have to start fresh on? Or did you come into either one and go "wow, this is perfect! everything is so beautiful!" Do you seriously consider your fresh project (that didn't use AI) to be the best most perfect beautiful code ever?
The fact is that nobody cares. People want to use good things and have fun with their lives. They're not worried about whether you wrote a method that parses some strings beautifully or did it with a one-liner. That never mattered, and I think a lot of you can't let go of that world view change and instead lash out at people who simply embrace that programming was simply a tool, not some elite special skill. And we're going back to those beliefs. It's done. It's over. Get over it.
Yeah LLMs aren't perfect, there is back and forth along the way and if you just let it loose you are going to end up with slop but I feel like we can achieve better quality now in a shorter amount of time using the tool properly. I'm not sure if I am just naive but I am really excited about the possibilities now and have been spending more time than ever building what I want. I used to think that writing the code was the enjoyable part for me but I think it was just building things.
I empathize with people in the other camp who got into it for the love of the code and now that part of the job is being taken away but I think it would benefit them to be honest about LLMs and try and work out a path forward here rather than just "my function is better than an LLM one, LLMs are just slop machines"
Thanks, but the world's changed and there's no going back. Hope you can change with it.
Sorry that sucks to hear, but the real talent lies in systems thinking. How to make things look good. How to make it usable for humans. How to make something exciting and remove the blocker that was programming effort. Everything else is still a hard problem. And those are all people problems. Just because computers can now spit out computer code doesn't mean all the problems are solved.
Case in point: As I comment on this article. The US govt has asked Claude to stop the export of the latest Fabel and Mythos models. And Anthropic decided it was just easier to disable those models for all users.
These things aren't simple decisions. And we're just barely getting started with AI coding. Can't wait for what 1 year from now looks like :)
1. Internet 2. Smartphone 3. AI coding
All 3 were "WOW" moments for me.
Coding did have a certain amount of fun to it. When it was small. And needed to just do 1-2 things. Severely constrained in it's scope and impact. But, those were the QBasic days when I just made a cute app. That thinking has not scaled for applications of any size for decades now.
I want to make great stuff for people and AI removes all the hurdles. Interviewing for asinine things like reversing a binary tree on the white board and then being nitpicked on getting the loop index wrong and then being ghosted is what the tech culture has devolved into. And its 100% caused by programmers who have grown too big of an ego and failed to develop socially.
All of that is game over. It's done. In just under a year, the whole landscape has changed permanently. There are those that like help and create, and there are those that like to gatekeep simply because it makes them feel better. Nobody likes the latter.
Kali Yuga lifespan is 432,000 years. Of which we are 4000+ years into it. So that's another 428,000 years of hell on Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsVQPVnLxs
Enjoy...….
I didn’t chose the words they used, but I can hold them to those words.
> I think they are lying, and I think they are hurting people. I think they're genuinely hurting people.
That hurting of people is part of the war that I mentioned. The rest of the video focuses quite heavily on this general issue. It gives specific examples, but they're representative.