Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.

The real news here is that Digg is still up :O

Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.

This release was rushed to hang on the coattails of the Mythos drama (“hey, sorry you can’t use Fable, but try us while you wait this weekend!”) I think they planned to release next week, hence benchmarks not all being ready yet.

I wish they would write a blog post about capabilities of this new model, what to expect from this model, is it cheaper, is it faster or does it have better quality in the outputs.

But still, thank you for the release

With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models:

- Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it.

- Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at least refuse to answer questions that could help cyber- and bioterrorists in their nefarious purposes? What about ML-related questions that could help terrorists create AI models without guardrails?

- Child safety. This is especially important with "free for all" open-weight models, most of which are Chinese (ever think about why that's the case?). How are we going to do age verification and KYC with models that anyone can just download on their computer?

- Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

Frankly, there's a plethora of other issues I don't have time to get into right now. Personally, I believe distribution of Chinese models in the US should be paused until they are required to submit models to the government for review and evaluation, to make sure they are made to Anthropic/OpenAI standards.

We need legal grounds for that.

Write to your congressman, congresswoman or congressperson and urge them to stop proliferation of dangerous non-American intelligence. This is a matter of national security and needs to be acted upon as soon as possible, preferably before IPO.

Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?

Weird, z.ai does not resolve for me. Is there anything special about that domain?

https://z.ai

Digg

edit: ouch, I’m a current Digg user. Even donated for their relaunch :(

So hard to tell what is satire and what isn't these days.

Yes, please ban all Chinese models in the US and stick to your US-centric stuff. Good for the rest of the world.

This is great but sails far too close to Poe's Law that I predict downvotes.

_incredibly ethical_

Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done

From my perspective

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, the terrormongering, is worse than the terrors. Endless denial of society & possibility & progress: begone you demons.

> our American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical

Ah... sweet summer child.

> Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

The US AI models are already using pirated copyrighted material off the Internet. If Chinese models also do this, they're at least giving it back to the people by releasing their weights as open source.

What is Amodei doing on HN astroturfing instead of trying to get Fable back online smh

Is this a parody of the Chinese-funded anti-datacenter astroturfing?

I think Z.ai rushed a bit for release, for example GLM 5.2 is only available under the coding plan right now and they didn't do a big write up. Not even some charts and graphs about its performance!

This is around when people were predicting a new GLM to come out, so a couple corners clipped in order to catch the moment. I'm using it right now and it seems decent, but I haven't done heavy work with it yet. The expanded context window is great.

I would say yes.

You think they were sitting on a release waiting for the right marketing moment?

No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.

No, Dario became too tiresome and annoying that someone had to do something. Personally I hope they ban Opus too. It will only provide more support for open models development. Compare Dario horror posts with this from GLM release: “ Intelligence should be open, accessible, and ready to build with, empowering every developer, everywhere.”