Ask HN: New employeer not providing equipment

21 points by gl9 4 hours ago | 35 comments

I am joining a small ~10 person startup in SF next week as a full time W2 employee. I am a software dev. The work is in a very regulated space (ITAR/ SOC2/etc) type stuff.

My manager (who is the CTO) texted me to bring my personal laptop in on the first day. This already seems like a red-flag and if needed I will not install any software or visit any sites beyond payroll.

How should I handle this situation if they refuse to provide me equipment. This is a in-person role.

mpeg 2 hours ago |

As a counterpoint to all the negative comments here, it’s entirely possible the CTO knows it’s gonna take x time to get your company laptop, which precisely because it’s a regulated industry might mean days/weeks of you waiting around with nothing to do

In that situation it makes sense for you to bring a personal laptop which you can use to access non confidential stuff, you might not write any code in it and might just be given docs to read through

operatingthetan 2 hours ago | |

Yeah this thread is making a lot of assumptions. Maybe the machine has been ordered, or they need to do HR type onboarding for the first few hours, or any number of reasons. Every job I've ever started I bring my own machine just in case and it has been fine.

It's only a red flag when they specifically ask you to start doing work on your own machine.

gl9 2 hours ago | | |

I am going in with a positive attitude that this is the case, but 100% with you no actual coding starts on my personal machine.

gl9 2 hours ago | |

I like this take. And I have been in that position before, get my self familiarized with whatever frameworks they are using.

But actual code, that's gonna need a work issued machine. They had over a week now since I accepted the offer and they have an MSP, so it's a bit odd for it to take that long.

383toast 1 hour ago | | |

why not just ask the CTO and company directly if that's the case?

383toast 1 hour ago | |

but honestly it's still a bad look for the company that:

1. did not communicate that X timeline in advance 2. did not pre-order when they offered the offer letter or when OP signed the letter

pandaman 40 minutes ago |

If your job requires an ITAR license then it will take a week or two from the first day until you get to access the codebase after clearing your license.

mikhael28 2 hours ago |

Well, you should send this ‘yeah, I can bring my personal laptop while my machine gets set up - when will my company issued device be available?’ Oh and yeah, bring a comically old laptop running an obscure Linux distro. DSL would be best.

gl9 2 hours ago | |

I agree with this. Gotta bring Red Star linux for maximum comedic effect given the regulated nature of the job.

busymom0 1 hour ago | | |

fyi Amazon has toy laptops for kids for pretty cheap....

codingdave 3 hours ago |

Using your personal laptop for work is unheard of for anything other than a startup that is still a couple dudes in their basement. (Where you are one of the original dudes)

Run away.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

Right there with you. I'll have to see how it plays out on Monday.

fuzzfactor 2 hours ago | | |

I would take out my personal SSD, put in a blank one and freshly install the needed OS.

Just to conform, and in case I needed a working machine until I found out whether they were serious enough to properly supply the necessities.

If not, then I could carry on with my own "good as new" laptop dedicated to the employer as long as necessary until I had collected enough pay to get an additional one for myself. Nicer one too.

Before even thinking about making any waves.

moezd 3 hours ago |

Oof. That's a bright red flag: Regulated industry and own laptop? Please tell me at least if they asked you to install a new harddrive and company VPN. If not, the company is probably compliance theater and has no business being in the business. God have mercy on their customers.

How to handle it? If you can afford it, leave and don't come back. If not, bring it up first thing you see your manager, latest on your first 1-1. This can't go on. If he brushes off, check if he intends to work you hard like 996. That usually means they are looking to use your work and find a reason to fire you asap afterwards.

Just out of curiosity: Did you oversell yourself during the interviews?

gl9 3 hours ago | |

The only person higher I can go to is the CEO. And yes, their customer is celebrating a birthday today, I am sure they wouldn't be happy to hear about employees working on personal machines.

I don't oversell myself in interviews, most of my work in the last 7 years has been inbound referrals, so it is just a team fit interview most of the time.

easyascake 3 hours ago |

I think it just doesn’t occur to companies of a certain size. I was similarly flummoxed when my current job also assumed I was BYOPC, though they acquiesced to buy me a Mac when I asked. But, the rest of the team still uses their desktops and (!!) has trouble when traveling and being forced to use an alternate development environment.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

I was baffled when a large global consulting firm had me use my personal laptop and iPad (which they filmed to show off my work to other clients) for a month before getting me setup. And that was in 2018, I was desperate for work at the time.

segmondy 3 hours ago |

Buy a $50 used chromebook and take it in.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

If only I still had my Lenovo S10 netbook from 2009 to bring in, I totally would. But if they can't get me a machine to do my job, I am concerned about my paycheck showing up.

term333 3 hours ago | | |

Maybe it's my age talking but if a company pulled that on me here's what I'd do:

Show up on Monday without a computer. When asked, explain that they're the employer, its standard to pay for a work machine for me, and that its downright pathetic that they can't or won't.

Yes, I'd call them out. It's clearly a power move, and I'd put it right back to them. Pathetic.

sizzzzlerz 3 hours ago |

No way they could ever pass an ITAR or SOC 2 audit with employees using their own machines. Data security is critical part of these governmental frameworks and having a set of controls in place that companies must comply with if they are to be certified. Keeping ITAR data on an employee's personal PC that is open to the internet is probably one of the biggest no-no's I can envision.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

It amazes me what supposed SOC2 "compliant" companies are willing to skimp on. A recent employer of mine, also regulated kept fighting me on getting me a work laptop. Also another funded SF based startup.

wxw 3 hours ago |

I'm surprised at the immediate leaps to conclusions here...

Why not text him back and ask him why directly? This could all be clarified in a few messages.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

To me the bigger issue is asking me to bring a laptop with me in the first place. But I will see how it plays out on Monday. As I said in another comment, I know the drill, no personal equipment ever touches company IP.

turtleyacht 3 hours ago |

Red flag. Never work on company stuff on personal machine. They need to get their act together and provide equipment. You show up; you get paid--even if they are still provisioning your equipment.

In the meantime, shadow folks, attend standups, get to know your colleagues, the products, etc.

gl9 3 hours ago | |

That's my plan, or they can buy my existing laptop at market rate on the spot and I will happily flash it. But in all reality they can walk down to Union Square Apple store across the street and pick up a MacBook.

AFF87 3 hours ago |

Run Consider if you really want/need to join them. Working in a regulated space for a company that is asking this to a new hire seems dangerous

gl9 3 hours ago | |

I need the paycheck, but I have plenty of runway.

VirusNewbie 3 hours ago |

This happened to my wife at a small PR firm. She told them she doesn't have a laptop (she didn't really have a functional one) and they just bought her a personal one as a 'signing bonus' and they have her bring it in.

It's a bit unusual, it's a yellow flag for sure, but it depends on how desperate you are for a job. If that's the worst thing about the company, it's not so bad, I've definitely worked for worse.

I'd tell them "i don't have a laptop, just a desktop" and see what they say? If they seem like they're going to not hire you for that, I agree with what other folks said, buy a cheap chromebook.

999900000999 2 hours ago |

Buy a new laptop.

I didn’t get a work laptop when I was at a mega corp and the pay was absurdly good.

I ended up remote desktoping into a secured pc anyway.

Don’t put your personal stuff on the laptop for any reason. If money is a concern buy a laptop from Costco.

90 day return policy in case the first check bounces or something.

gl9 2 hours ago | |

If the pay was absurdly good, I will gladly do whatever is needed. But it's not.

999900000999 36 minutes ago | | |

Ok.

Your options are still.

Show up on your first day with a laptop.

Show up on your first day without a laptop.

My suggestion stands.

Odds are you can get your job done with a 500$ laptop if push comes to shove.

Now of course you can show up without a laptop and get into a nasty argument about them needing to provide you equipment. You’d be right, but they’d have the option to fire you on the spot. Even if this isn’t technically legal, you don’t have much recourse.

It’s up to you.

Everyone else here is going to keep downvoting me, and not a single one of them will help you find a new job.