Punk, or why I don't stream anymore(geohot.github.io) |
Punk, or why I don't stream anymore(geohot.github.io) |
The people that create slop garbage profiles or cookie-cutter profiles didn't have very quirky profiles before. The probably didn't even participate before.
The quirky stuff is still there and maybe there is even more of it but it takes effort to find it instead of being able to go online and everything being novel.
While the ersatz realms of AI regress to the mean, religious traditions chug on, bringing joy to adherents.
Find your community of faith.
I think you only give up the steering on the how, but the "what" and the "why", which were always the more important parts, in my opinion, are still in your hands.
There has always been tension on that specific point, and it's what made being a programmer in a company you don't own so painful.
This one hits hard. I feel more and more that AI-assisted creation is really just consumption. And it’s worse because it gives a false sense of creativity. Are we really expressing ourselves and challenging ourselves by pressing a button and generating the same slop as a million other people?
You (collective you, not you personally) are just consuming a product. The LLM is a product. The model is a product.
You're reheating spam from the can in the microwave and acting like you're Gordon Ramsey. But you don't know how to cook, all you know how to do is push buttons. And worst of all, you probably think anyone who bothers to learn how to prepare food with their hands is a rube.
2. Even in the dead internet, there are things that aren't being consumed by the machine. I built my own Twitter/Bluesky client with my own recommendation system, and a huge chunk of the content I see is just people dicking around.
3. What's exactly wrong with being racist? I stopped browsing Reddit and talking to AI because, among other things, it cannot handle my racist opinions. My IRL friends don't mind me being racist so I just talk to them instead. My employer doesn't need to know I'm secretly racist. Author gives off vibes like living in 80's and "I want to feel special but I don't want to have gay sex" like pick one bro.
4. If you want to be a part of counter-culture, then fucking make it yourself, unless what you miss is the pre-packaged mass-manufactured counter-culture before you understood how it works. Then I have bad news for you, Santa isn't real.
5. You don't need to be special in all aspects. It's totally okay to enjoy some mainstream AI-generated slop too.
I assumed watching streams is similar to watching vs participating in sports. I played a few as a teen, got quite good at one. As much as I like watching highly talented people apply their skill it does nothing to scratch the participatory itch.
Think it depends a lot on the type of stream. The vibes are all over the place. Say gaming stream, live walking stream vs a talking stream vs a podcast stream.
Size of the stream also matters. If you're regularly in the comments of a 50 person stream commentators recognise each other and there is interaction not entirely unlike old school forums that have regulars. In a 1000+ stream nope.
So I don't think there is such a thing as a typical experience.
The main one I follow is a talking stream of someone I've been following for years. So has a bit of old friend vibe in that you know a lot about this person & it's a comforting presence. But of course its all parasocial and one direction only (mostly) so old friend parallel is kinda fake.
I think I'd rather read slop than edgelord.
No need to be so dramatic, might just be a bit of an early midlife crisis thing.
I liked the post, some interesting takes.
It already has a name in academia I think, post-truth, or post-reality or whatever, I think it all started with the French post-modernism thing, then critical theory, etc.
But I'm not sure it's a post- 'advance' at all, but more like a rejection of the enlightenment and a return to the tribal village.
My views have changed 180° once I moved into a ghetto. Within two years I witnessed three shootings, and had my belongings stolen twice. There's trash everywhere, and kids are revving engines at 2AM and nobody cares. I don't buy the excuse "the problem is poverty and lack of chances" because it just doesn't hold up when you compare people across countries. You cannot tell me that a Moroccan kid growing up in Paris somehow has fewer chances in life than a white kid growing up in Rădoiești-Deal. Besides, I don't understand how poverty explains the inability to bring your trash to the trash can.
Being gay is literally illegal in almost all Muslim countries, many of them have death punishment for being gay. I don't see a reason why I'd be morally obliged to respect that as a valid way to construct a society. If they want me dead, I want them dead too, tit for tat.
I see countries like Japan or Korea heavily opposing immigration despite demographic crisis. I don't think they're making the wrong decision.
The creativity: literally just rewriting an existing product in a new programming language or a shitty SaaS app that will never be used.
Honestly seems like status-quo to me, at least going off Show HN
"George Francis Hotz (born October 2, 1989), known online by geohot, is an American security hacker, entrepreneur,[1] and software engineer. He is known for developing iOS jailbreaks,[2][3] reverse engineering the PlayStation 3, and for the subsequent lawsuit brought against him by Sony. From September 2015 until November 2025, he worked on his vehicle automation machine learning company comma.ai.[4] Since November 2022, Hotz has been working on tinygrad, a deep learning framework."
From the early legal controversy to today, if there's one thing we can expect from geohot, it's that he's gonna think he's god's gift to programming and everyone whose work he disagrees with are losers. But the bluster often doesn't result in much eg his plan to 'fix twitter search' didn't amount to anything (and today in June 2026 twitter search is way less reliable than it was pre-Elon/Hotz/etc in Oct 2022-- but I guess we can't say it's Hotz's fault cause like I said he did approximately nothing)
Punk is actually a good metaphor because the the angst in the music became the blockbuster 'brand' of the music. Being jaded and cynical doesn't make you inherently more interesting it just leaves you--'here', wherever this post is. The programmer equivalent of sporting a studded leather jacket and green mohawk
As one of many who has seen him doing his thing alongside others, yeah he’d think that. And he’d be right.
If he thinks like that (I don’t know him), he needs to limit the scope of what he works on to projects he can accomplish completely on his own.
I do wonder if the author is very young. As much as I enjoyed his small essay, a few things stuck right out at me:
>I tried having a flip phone once (2014), but you couldn’t find out what time the movies were playing because moviephone just redirected you to their app.
This has been a solved problem for a long time: you look up the movie times and such prior to departing for the movies. No smartphone needed.
>And it’s not like there’s anywhere to go. The real world is strip malls and axe throwing and escape rooms. Oh god people actually go on a hinge date to axe throwing and think it’s the real world.
You can escape, but you'll never hear about it by either checking online, or by listening to very-online people. Go on a hike. It doesn't even have to be a good one. Just go do it. Maybe say hi to some people you meet while you're there. You probably won't develop a deep friendship with them, but you will have a real, face-to-face human interaction.
Living away from the internet can now only be done intentionally. It can be done, though, but it's not the automatic choice. It's not even difficult ... it's just "manual." You must always think about what you want to do and how you want to do it. It's a skill that will come back to you. Or, if the author never learned it, a skill he still has a chance to learn.
What we've lost is getting to feel like you're connected to a common culture. This is a big, big loss, but it is not everything. The tools you need to escape are all around you. Power off your devices. Get some books at your local library. Try leaving your devices off all weekend, even when you get anxious, and bored, and your brain cries out for the easy, automatic stimulation it's become so accustomed to. Lay in bed and stare at the ceiling until your brain creates interesting thoughts out of your boredom. It's possible.
Yeah, that's only true if you don't hang out in the old-style Internet. I spend most of my time on blogs, reading and replying to discussions on wide-ranging topics, talking to interesting people who know a lot more than I do about many subjects (in fact, most subjects that aren't computer programming) The discussion isn't on Disqus, it's not monetized, it's just... people talking to each other. And it's an active, fun community.
They're out there. Just... choose to disengage with the boring communities. I haven't had a Facebook account in years; I only got one because at the time there was a social group I belonged to that was using Facebook as their primary communication tool, and when I moved to another city I deleted my Facebook account. I never signed up for Twitter. Didn't want an account when it started, didn't want one five years ago, don't want one now.
It's possible to disengage from the artificial, and find real communication with real people. The first step is to just... stop logging onto Facebook. Just walk away.
Computers even at their crudest have a hypnotic ability to bring you into their world, and somehow make you forget about the reality you live in. This is not the only mechanism of society that does this, but certainly one of the most powerful we found in recent history.
Jesse: I was thinking about that thing you said about the universe. Going where the universe takes you? Right on. It's a cool philosophy.
Jane: I was being metaphorical, it's a terrible philosophy. I've gone where the universe takes me my whole life. It's better to make those decisions for yourself.
El Camino, 2019If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
This feeling has existed across generations and most of us have to go through it eventually.
The world, however, is not any less real than it has always been and is not collapsing.
OP is living in a world of hyperreality of his own making. dude has always been doing software and never been able to break out of that.
it's not like he's been bartending though college and then slide into CS/dev work and is struggling with how startups are it's own weird universe. it's all hes ever known and is now convinced that the hinge dates and axe throwing are the weird, not-real thing.
homie has been in his weird autism-tech-bubble and never had a reason to get out of it
Might also be that but his takes have also been…unique
That’s also why I think the blog is liked. Sometimes the takes a bad. Sometimes they are novel and good
The author really needs a change of scenery. 'Strip malls and axe throwing' sounds like a minor update to the 'strip malls and TGIFs' of the `90's.
Hinge dates and axe throwing are not my world. I also didn't go to pop band concerts and meat market bars in the olden times. I don't judge the people who did, at least now I don't.
My experience with dating apps was mostly awful, but then I met my wife on one. Now we’re happily married with 3 kids.
Axe throwing is just a business fad like so many before it. This started long before the internet.
Pinball arcades, video game arcades, tanning salons, self storage, frozen yogurt. The list goes on and on.
Not sure what my point is, I guess it’s mostly this has nothing to do with the internet or with now. If the author were writing this in the 80s he’d be complaining about people hanging out in malls.
If it were written in the 50s he’d be complaining about drive-in movies and restaurants, and tract houses. Go back earlier and he’d probably be complaining about electrification.
To be fair I think we should be more intentional about our adoption of technology, but nostalgia is a hell of a drug that is best avoided.
>I’ve been scraping dating sites and feeding them to ChatGPT, and it’s amazing how few of the profiles still say anything about the person. There are no rough edges, it’s basically marketing copy. Reflected back and forth in their heads with this “society” mirror so many times that there’s no identity or coherence left, just a mush of diffuse monochrome light.
OK, that makes a bunch more sense to me. Thanks for sharing that interpretation.
The basic feature set he wanted to implement wouldn't have been very difficult for someone who is experienced with react, but I'm imagining there's lots of minor quirks with the "last mile" of details related to internationalization / localization and accessibility.
This is clever-clogs George Hotz of hacking, comma.ai and tinygrad etc fame.
He used (?) to live stream hacker stuff like long running coding sessions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
Unofficial video archive:
That’s so rich from someone known for his public stunts against Sony & co
Separate thought: This new information world can be fought, but it's the war against capital and power, and that cannot be won, only resisted until the side with the capital and power becomes so incompetent and detached from reality that it collapses by itself (this is happening now, slowly; it happened already in the Soviet Union), and then we can shape what comes afterwards. But there probably won't be as much computer technology post-collapse.
If there are Bad Times ahead, it will be good to have this as a tested option. If not, you get a cozy private space to talk with people you know, outside of the surveillance grid.
A cool idea would be to build out an ISP to a small set of hub locations using leased lines or illegally placed fiber something, but that will get expensive.
I heard someone have an idea to use a drone to lay illegal fiber across city rooftops.
What does that say about me? I used to find him childish.
Jokes aside I also didn’t like him. Until I heard him on that podcast with the Russian-American dude whose name I can’t remember and can’t be bothered to search right now. I was surprised to start find that I would like George, because he said he was religious and I generally dislike people who capitalize god, etc.
I think he was one of the coolest hackers of the millennial generation.
The loneliness could take him to dark places. I’ve been there. I hope he finds someone.
> The new war demands your inner reality. The new war will be weird in all sorts of new ways we can’t even imagine yet.
I've been orienting myself towards this already being true as well, and think we still haven't even started to see this taken to its (logical) extreme. If nothing else, it'll at least be interesting to see all the effects and methods around this, and all the cool mind reading toys.
While the connectedness of our world allows for great ideas to be spread and shared, there’s a huge reduction in actual variety. I don’t know what the solution is.
Interstellar diaspora. Interplanetary diaspora isn't far enough apart.
What George is talking about here is much more related to the ideas of Nick Land, technocapital, Marshall McLuhan, and man's relationship to industrialization.
> Isolation is basically impossible because the Internet follows you everywhere. And it’s perfectly uniform, there is no other Internet, just a place with five corporate towns and some Chinese ones that are really hard to visit if you don’t speak Chinese.
This is McLuhan's "global village".
> I don’t think I’m properly capturing the scope of the machine. First you build the fence to keep the animals out then you build the fence to keep the animals in. It’s a Fullmetal Alchemist homunculus maybe it has already eaten your soul.
This is Nick Land.
Why...
This is most egregious in chess engines that literally have endgame databases for example. Would Carlsen have won game six against Nepo if Nepo had had a tablebase? No, it was a draw many times.
Hacker culture has slowly been subverted since the mediocre developers of open source projects sold out to corporations and became managers of the A developers. Literally like pg wrote: C students manage the A students. Except that in open source this was a novelty and the A students were too timid or conflict averse to fork.
I’ve long described dating apps as “distilling an entire person into a few curated photos and a snippet of text”. In all dating app profile advice I’ve ever seen, creativity, personality, and anything against the grain is highly discouraged. No wonder they barely work.
end of history doesn't mean nothing will ever happen again
I don’t mean that in a mean or reductive way. But something about this kind of assumption that things will get more elaborate and more abstract forever (when he’s talking about the future war for your inner reality) as if there are infinite resources, just strikes me as disconnected from physical reality in a way that feels particularly weird
Strangely, not everyone is at home when they decide to go to the movies.
But I hear you. What if I wanted to know what movies were playing, but I was already at a restaurant? What could I possibly do? The only answer is a smart phone. There's no choice, and no escape.
I discovered a lot of new things by being forced to make choices from limited set of options.
This is like that for me; he sounds kind of annoying, but as they say, points were made.
Forums were easy to search. The threads were mostly chronological and easy to stay in touch with.
These corporate platforms are designed to promote reposting. Always “new” content and impossible to find anything else. keep the user reloading that feed at all costs. And behind the scenes the corporations are mining your activity
I’m somewhat optimistic that as future generations of LLMs keep scanning this new LLM driven social media landscape, the models will collapse and the content will just suck more and more.
And people with interesting takes and novel ways of expressing them leave the corporate platforms, and we return to the humble days of user owned platforms without all the bots
After all, it’s easier than ever to build a platform now that we have LLMs to do all the chore work
If you miss a community, go be a part of one, that'll help everyone! I'm a part of a maker community and it's fantastic, the only thing that's missing is more makers talking about the weird stuff they're building!
in some cases, build your own.
If the human needs a literature references and a database to answer a question, can they be said to "know" the answer?
ChatGPT doesn't have an endgame database for chess. Despite having "read" all the literature about chess, it will hallucinate the board state if you try to play chess with it directly. But it "knows" how to write a chess engine that would beat me… and more than that, one which would beat a competent player.
It is a very weird and spiky form of intelligence, but it's also definitely not just a database.
If a CPU needs RAM and disk access to give answers, does it "know" the material?
Maybe in the area of your expertise, but ChatGPT probably knows most of the Habsburg dynasty. (just as one example) The breadth of knowledge, even when the depth is quirky and limited, is genuinely a big deal.
You / Carlsen / anyone will not beat a top chess engine even without the endgame databases. In the vast majority of cases you / anyone won't even reach that part (7piece / 8piece for some positions).
> ChatGPT does not know more than you
Yes, yes it does. Your fallacy is that you confuse knowledge with "knowing what to do when you don't have that knowledge". But in pure raw knowledge (definitions, trivia, bits of history, etc) chatbots are oom over any human being. Just try any of the "benchmarks" gamified by people.
A very fast librarian with a select material of reference books and adept at speed reading could give the same answers as LLMs. A bit slower of course. Most of the time an encyclopedia would suffice and be more accurate than the hallucinating ghosts in the machine.
EDIT: The insane downvoters can go back to their AI girlfriends. The comment was meant for thinking people.
You'd have to be deluded or deranged to believe that. Even if it does nothing else, it "knows" more than any human alive.
Does this mean everything he does or says is right? absolutely not, sometimes its myopic and tunnel-vision induced with a smidgen of good points hidden within. Does he come across as 'off' to some people? a slight god-complex? is he likely hardcore autistic and miss practically all social niceties? absolutely, obviously unverifiable, true.
He should have gone into Academia (not that he would have excelled at the 'school' side of it), and he still could, because I am sure in the future he will be an excellent eccentric and transformative professor or researcher, if he wasn't so caught up in the rat-race libertarian capitalistic technology scene.
With all that said, even though we align on many things here, I don't think he or myself could stand being in a room with each other for anything more than a few minutes.
In the PS3 era, the PS3 had the highest compute power (FLOPS) to cost ratio of any commercially-available computer, due to a combination of its parallel architecture and the fact that Sony's business model was to sell the console at a loss and make up the money by taking shares of game revenue (and by charging $6 a month to allow the console to connect to the Internet)
But it turned out that it was possible to jailbreak the PS3 to run software other than certified PS3 games (this was officially allowed at first, but Sony quickly pulled the plug). And as a result, the best bang for your buck for "highly parallel we just need FLOPS" supercomputer workloads was to build a rack of PlayStation 3s.
But that only worked as long as the hack worked.
The hack allowed users to continue using them as such, though to what extent that persisted I don't actually know.
Example [here](https://phys.org/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercomput...).
This is called the "Chinese Room" argument, postulating that a human equipped with a Borgesian library of reference books in a language he doesn't understand and a symbolic lookup table for that language can emulate a thinking human mind without actually thinking.
It was controversial for decades, and is now known not to hold up at all. (Or to hold up perfectly, if unlike Searle your goal is to show that human minds are nothing all that special.) To the extent that the room's occupant succeeds at a task that requires thinking, he is thinking... end of story. Simulated intelligence is now known, thanks to LLMs, to be indistinguishable from real intelligence.
Ask the operator of a Chinese room, who doesn't know Chinese or math, for a novel proof of an unsolved conjecture. The LLM can give you one, but your hypothetical reference librarian won't even know what to look up at first. By the time they learn, the core premise of the argument will no longer hold true.
If you have line of sight, or can borrow a tower that does, you could always use point-to-point wireless or laser links to build a high bandwidth backbone. This would let you play LAN games if that makes it more interesting.
I concede that most people aren’t going to be interested in this. It is what it is.
• Surface parking in my city is all by QR code. Where there are machines, they are broken because no one cares.
• Social groups are on iMessage or RCS. RCS is not nearly as backwards compatible with MMS as it seems and you WILL get dropped silently, eventually.
• Some restaurants literally don’t have print menus (they’re expensive! QR codes are cheap!).
• Rideshare, bike rentals, etc. are all dependent on apps. Taxis are not reliable or available.
The list of tiny cuts goes on and on. When you have a smartphone you don’t realize the affordances that made it possible to be without them are disappearing.
I’m sure you can do it in a smaller place but you have to be dedicated and willing to suffer in a city.
Have you considered using a GNU/Linux phone (Librem 5 or Pinephone)? There is no dependence on a megacorp and QR codes work fine. Some services might redirect you to a web app if you show them such phone.
It would be very impressive to watch this, but irrelevant:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22table+base%22&t=osx&ia=images&i...
> If a CPU needs RAM and disk access to give answers, does it "know" the material?
If you need to have a prefrontal cortex (RAM) and hippocampus (disk access), same question. (The answer is "yes, obviously that's fine, why would you even ask").